BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[GinDan]

Kid Zaraki > Soul King

I’m not trolling, but Zaraki Bankai TYBW cannot defeat base Yhwach. Ichigo managed to injure base Yhwach in his Fullbring Bankai form, whereas Zaraki lost to Fake Yhwach. After that, he had his training with Unohana and then fought Gremmy. If you closely watch the fight, Zaraki is afraid of machine guns in the anime; he even uses a slab of rock to protect himself, while Fake Yhwach withstands the temperature of the sun.

Even Gremmy isn’t that strong—he doesn’t even use Blut. He hardens his body like steel, while Fake Yhwach uses Blut to protect himself from Yamaji’s flames. Anyway, you’ll see it clearly today: Mayuri defeated Kenpachi, just like he defeated Pernida and its abilities. So why doesn’t Zaraki’s reiatsu protect him?

Zaraki’s Bankai has no real feats. He tears off Valkyrie’s arm but then knocks himself out on his own. On the other hand, Adult Toshiro has better feats than Bankai Zaraki. Even as a child, Toshiro managed to block Nozarashi twice in the manga.

 

[GinDan]

this episode suck

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Mods twist his nuts

 

[Blallooo]

It wasn't bad but also not as good as it could have been. Pernida didn't need to be cgi since it didn't move a lot and in the manga the fight felt more dynamic

 

[AppleLord]

I wasn’t bother by the CGI could hardly tell anyway. Okay episode. Not great. Not bad.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah I agree that Pernida didn’t need to be cgi this episode since he was mostly stationary, but the CGI wasn’t hideous either. I’m glad they kept the entire Zaraki Mayuri interactions in tact, always fond of the banter. I quite enjoyed the episode, although Shunsui’s Bankai next episode is going to be a cour highlight for sure.

 

[PerezosoUlixes]

I was a little disappointed by the CGI in some shots. I get they tried to make Pernida look otherworldly but it ended looking goofy for me. Although I didn't mind it the majority of the time. Mayuri as always was the highlight of the chapter for me, his voice actor really is delivering like crazy.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The sinister and inhuman way they portrayed Mayuri’s abilities was also really good. I thought they sold the notion well that Mayuri is this mad scientist on steroids with how creepy his techniques are. And you could tell Mayuri’s VA was having a good time this episode which was awesome.

 

[Naeblis495]

Ep was fine. I still don't like the cgi but it was better than Dangai Joe or Kinshara butodan and managed to incorporated Pernida well with the backround so it do the job so far.

Going by the next poem, we will not have the outcome of the fight next week and switch to Shunsui ?

 

[PerezosoUlixes]

The sinister and inhuman way they portrayed Mayuri’s abilities was also really good. I thought they sold the notion well that Mayuri is this mad scientist on steroids with how creepy his techniques are. And you could tell Mayuri’s VA was having a good time this episode which was awesome.

Also, I think his Bankai really looked awesome. When he summoned Matai Fukuin Shotai was an amazing shot.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Going by the next poem, we will not have the outcome of the fight next week and switch to Shunsui ?

Looks like it

 

[Deceived3596]

Definitely one of the weaker episodes of the cour.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

While the first half of the episode was alright, the best part of it being Mayuri and Zaraki's banter (which really showcases them being one in the same), the second half shines brighter like Mayuri's specialized suit. That's where the action really picked up, it looked clean. I didn't mind CGI Pernida, really made him look alien compared to everything else, and the anime managed to make him look even more eerie.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Mayuri needs to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, a good 80 percent of it was him yapping, he wasn't even talking to Pernida per say, he was mostly explaining his abilities and motivations for fighting Pernida

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Bro got hit with the deceived sissy waves ^

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I always thought of Mayuri as a yappologist. Seriously, Szayelaporro vs Mayuri was literally him doing 3 moves and most of it was his speeches

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I am excited, however, for next week because my dawg Shunsui boutta tear up. He was the reason I own the only Bleach volume I have

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Where does the cosmology scale ?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

We're comfortably at 2-C by the end of the cour

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I still don't know why the verse isn't 2-A, aren't there infinite time lines that exist in Bleach and which comes from Soul King ?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I still don't know why the verse isn't 2-A, aren't there infinite time lines that exist in Bleach and which comes from Soul King ?

The Almighty used to have 2-A range but it got removed a while ago. Forgot why though

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I wasn’t bother by the CGI could hardly tell anyway. Okay episode. Not great. Not bad.

For once, I agree with you, Apple.

 

[Deceived3596]

Bro got hit with the deceived sissy waves ^

 

[Malekith]

From what I heard before they were talking about horrible CGI, I thought it was Berserk 2016, but the CGI is normal, just a little strange when the 3 arms appeared together

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

From what I heard before they were talking about horrible CGI, I thought it was Berserk 2016, but the CGI is normal, just a little strange when the 3 arms appeared together

The CGI is fine, but the episode itself doesn't feel that good, for whatever reason.

 

[AppleLord]

Mayuri needs to shut the f*ck up. Seriously, a good 80 percent of it was him yapping, he wasn't even talking to Pernida per say, he was mostly explaining his abilities and motivations for fighting Pernida

Kenpachi fan bore here. If you can't tell, look at this profile pig.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah calling the episode a Mayuri yap bore fest is just hater behavior like it was not that much of a yap fest. The Zaraki Mayuri dialogue wasn’t yap, the flashback to Mayuri as a young man wasn’t yap, maybe some of the ability explanations were a bit on the yap side, but it wasn’t that bad

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yeah calling the episode a Mayuri yap bore fest is just hater behavior like it was not that much of a yap fest. The Zaraki Mayuri dialogue wasn’t yap, the flashback to Mayuri as a young man wasn’t yap, maybe some of the ability explanations were a bit on the yap side, but it wasn’t that bad

Yap yap yap, all I hear.

On a serious note, episode was fine, not great but enjoyable enough. I honestly was expecting more from the Soul Kings left hand but meh, was surprised the episode wasn't showing other people but I didn't have an issue with them being the center focus. Overall, I was still interested in what was happening so that's still a win in my book especially when it's focused on a character I'm not much a fan of.

R.I.P to Kenpachi.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Lol how fast was that surgery?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Very fast lol and that’s him rusty

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Bro's a freak

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Kenpachi fan bore here. If you can't tell, look at this profile pig.

Idk, I like it when characters stfu and beat the shit outta each other. Scratches a part of my glue eating brain.

It wasn't that bad tho, but the first half of Mayuri vs Pernida isn't the strongest link in the chain, even in the actual fight itself. Next week will be when things get interesting.

 

[Nierre]

We might be getting We Do Knot Always Love You adaptation in cour 4!

holy mother of Ws

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I’m not trolling, but Zaraki Bankai TYBW cannot defeat base Yhwach. Ichigo managed to injure base Yhwach in his Fullbring Bankai form, whereas Zaraki lost to Fake Yhwach. After that, he had his training with Unohana and then fought Gremmy. If you closely watch the fight, Zaraki is afraid of machine guns in the anime; he even uses a slab of rock to protect himself, while Fake Yhwach withstands the temperature of the sun.

Even Gremmy isn’t that strong—he doesn’t even use Blut. He hardens his body like steel, while Fake Yhwach uses Blut to protect himself from Yamaji’s flames. Anyway, you’ll see it clearly today: Mayuri defeated Kenpachi, just like he defeated Pernida and its abilities. So why doesn’t Zaraki’s reiatsu protect him?

Zaraki’s Bankai has no real feats. He tears off Valkyrie’s arm but then knocks himself out on his own. On the other hand, Adult Toshiro has better feats than Bankai Zaraki. Even as a child, Toshiro managed to block Nozarashi twice in the manga.

IDK why this didn't go through, but this is wrong.

He lost pre-training against fake Yhwach, which is irrelevant. Despite this, Unohana states he would've been capable of beating fake Yhwach if he had his powers from when he was a kid. At the same time, he's implied to be capable of fighting Fullbring Bankai Ichigo.

All of this is consistent, so you get:
SAFWY Zaraki < Start of TYBW Zaraki < (big gap) < Fake Yhwach = 70-80% of base Yhwach < Zaraki ~ 100% Base Yhwach ~ Fullbring Bankai Ichigo

Also, there is a significant lore basis for Gremmy being strong. Many sternritters fear him, and he has the reputation of being the strongest sternritter. Given his feats, this isn't far off.

 

[AppleLord]

How come people are still arguing online that the TYBW new content isn't canon based on what Kubo said recently? Is that comment even real?

 

[Adam1396]

IDK why this didn't go through, but this is wrong.

He lost pre-training against fake Yhwach, which is irrelevant. Despite this, Unohana states he would've been capable of beating fake Yhwach if he had his powers from when he was a kid. At the same time, he's implied to be capable of fighting Fullbring Bankai Ichigo.

All of this is consistent, so you get:
SAFWY Zaraki < Start of TYBW Zaraki < (big gap) < Fake Yhwach = 70-80% of base Yhwach < Zaraki ~ 100% Base Yhwach ~ Fullbring Bankai Ichigo

Also, there is a significant lore basis for Gremmy being strong. Many sternritters fear him, and he has the reputation of being the strongest sternritter. Given his feats, this isn't far off.

How is zaraki > fake yhwach.
There's literally no basis of it.

Even if gremmy is strongest sternritter, he should still be weaker than yhwach and may be weaker than fake yhwach as well who should be one of the strongest sternritter anyway.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

How come people are still arguing online that the TYBW new content isn't canon based on what Kubo said recently? Is that comment even real?

Because HST fans have the reading conprehension of a blind dog.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

How is zaraki > fake yhwach.
There's literally no basis of it.

Even if gremmy is strongest sternritter, he should still be weaker than yhwach and may be weaker than fake yhwach as well who should be one of the strongest sternritter anyway.

Did you read anything Eva said? The basis is that Unohana believes that Zaraki’s full power would be able to have defeated fake Yhwach, rival FB Bankai Ichigo, and even fight invasion one Yhwach. Also, Gremmy being weaker than Yhwach (which he is) doesn’t refute this at all, given Zaraki beat Gremmy with his eyepatch on.

 

[Adam1396]

Did you read anything Eva said? The basis is that Unohana believes that Zaraki’s full power would be able to have defeated fake Yhwach, rival FB Bankai Ichigo, and even fight invasion one Yhwach. Also, Gremmy being weaker than Yhwach (which he is) doesn’t refute this at all, given Zaraki beat Gremmy with his eyepatch on.

Zaraki still has no substantial proof of scaling to base yhwach other than unohana's vague statement. This was an assumption on unohana's part. And how would she even have idea about fake yhwach's strength?
Technically zaraki didn’t beat gremmy at all, though his scaling to gremmy is quite clear.
Toshiro still has better feats than zaraki.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Zaraki still has no substantial proof of scaling to base yhwach other than unohana's vague statement. This was an assumption on unohana's part. And how would she even have idea about fake yhwach's strength?

Idk, because SHE WAS THERE 1000 YEARS AGO AND 1000 YEARS LATER. Like seriously, there is no way she wouldn't know Yhwach's strength. She wasn't there directly per say since she didn't fight in the current conflict, but to say she doesn't know the real Yhwach's strength ignores the fact that she was in the original Gotei 13 even before the war and also fought in the original conflict. She definitely knew the current Yhwach's power because she literally sensed the battle happening.

Technically zaraki didn’t beat gremmy at all, though his scaling to gremmy is quite clear.

Technically? Gremmy literally couldn't contain his power, he was clearly superior strength-wise and also had the better mentality and skills. Gremmy's loss was his mistake, his mistake = Kenpachi's win. Saying he didn't win because Gremmy made a mistake and screwed himself over makes no sense, it was his mistake, therefore his loss.

Toshiro still has better feats than zaraki.

In terms of raw strength no, AP and hax yes.