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They didn't need to cook this hard
Reiatsu is an energy, the expulsion of an energy from the body. Just because it can take on elemental properties doesn't mean it doesn't have those other properties (like sheer force). I have not used any mental gymnastics. I'm saying is that Reiatsu in any form will act like Reiatsu, and use it's inherent abilites. That's not a leap in logic, im just telling you the definition of Reiatsu and what it includes.What part of spiritual pressure has ever been presented to vaporize shit in some way that's somehow distinct from heat? Reiatsu simply often mimics the elemental affinity of its user is all, just like how Toshiro makes shit colder with his. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to go "his reiatsu has unique properties that mimic heat, and it also has completely different unmentioned properties that do the same thing as heat but in a fundamentally different way". Does it not require far fewer assumptions to say they're one and the same?
It doesn't matter if you can present a cope for why it exists. The fact that it exists in your interpretation means it can be rejected in favor of mine, which is internal consistent and doesn't run into these abilites. My view is inherently better because it's consistent.And as for the "contradiction", that can easily be chalked up to Bleach being an action manga and not a treatise on thermodynamics. There's a whole ass trope all about how writers don't consider that shit at all when writing stuff.
Jugram not being soul crushed doesn't mean the Reiatsu isn't using those other properties? That just straightforwardly doesn't follow. All it means is that the heat is able to effect him whilst the other hax can't. Has absolutely no bearing on their involvement in the feat itself. This doesn't prove anything.Also, the heat itself is stated explicitly to be what would instantly vaporize Jugram if he wasn't using Blut Vene, so its incredible destructive power is drawn attention to at about the same time that the threat of Soul Society's destruction is. Jugram also isn't being soul crushed here either, which is worth noting.
And none of those properties are thermal in nature except for the one guy who has fire powers, those thermal properties also being stated to be 15 million C in temperature.Reiatsu is an energy, the expulsion of an energy from the body. Just because it can take on elemental properties doesn't mean it doesn't have those other properties (like sheer force). I have not used any mental gymnastics. I'm saying is that Reiatsu in any form will act like Reiatsu, and use it's inherent abilites. That's not a leap in logic, im just telling you the definition of Reiatsu and what it includes.
If you have to resort to stuff that's never even implied to be present in the source material to "solve" a contradiction, that's no solution at all.It doesn't matter if you can present a cope for why it exists. The fact that it exists in your interpretation means it can be rejected in favor of mine, which is internal consistent and doesn't run into these abilites. My view is inherently better because it's consistent.
How can you accuse me of mental gymnastics in the same post where you defend logical contradiction against a consistent view?
It's using those properties, and said properties are demonstrably less potent than the heat, which is thus implied to be the main source of the widespread effects of Zanka no Tachi.Jugram not being soul crushed doesn't mean the Reiatsu isn't using those other properties? That just straightforwardly doesn't follow. All it means is that the heat is able to effect him whilst the other hax can't. Has absolutely no bearing on their involvement in the feat itself. This doesn't prove anything.
Did you not see Ichigo burn up water around him in the anime? Does he have a fire type zanpakuto we're not aware of?none of those properties are thermal in nature except for the one guy who has fire powers, those thermal properties also being stated to be 15 million C in temperature.
I've given you multiple examples of such. Either you can appeal to the idea sheer energy can produce heat, you can appeal to shit like Ichigo burning away water with sheer reiatsu in the canon anime. Et cetera.If you have to resort to stuff that's never even implied to be present in the source material to "solve" a contradiction, that's no solution at all.
There is no point in debating someone who thinks their arguments being logically consistent just doesn't matter because of "rule of cool." I have shown you wrong because you have contradicted the manga.It's a fictional story man, and a blatantly supernatural one that runs 90% on Rule of Cool. You can't possibly expect it to never do anything that's weird from a real life physics PoV, and there's nothing wrong with admitting a minor contradiction that doesn't impact the story or themes at all exists, that's just the kind of thing that happens.
Which again, is irrelevant to the idea there are other sources. Which I've shown is the only way any of this can make any sort of coherent sense.It's using those properties, and said properties are demonstrably less potent than the heat, which is thus implied to be the main source of the widespread effects of Zanka no Tachi.
I guess an argument you could make is that:Yeah, I guess it's weird and counterintuitive but if there's nothing that says otherwise, then what can you do?
Yama with Shikai is already above planetWho you got between Shikai Yamamoto and Teen SO6P Naruto? (RC restricted ofc)
Ichigo vaporising oetsu sea has a similar calc to azashiro ittokasu now I think of it, he is shown to have reiatsu that's passively hot when riled up and hot enough to vaporise a sea in seconds.I guess an argument you could make is that:
All Kido rely on spiritual pressure (stronger you are = stronger your kido) -> Bankai is your spiritual pressure at its max.
Therefore Yamamoto's Bankai is inherently greater than his Kido since his Bankai is his peak spiritual power and his kido are mere fractions of that. This might have some holes I could pick apart in a debate but I think it's generally fine to justify the intuition.
Itto Kaso > ZnT will always be a goon argument.
Planck temperature Itto Kaso.ittokasu being hot enough to even burn spacetime could be one of the reasons it's forbidden and yama tanked that
Considering that Quincy actually have Macro quantum manip, it wouldn't be much of an outlier tbh
Ceros having Atomization confirmed?
How would you account for the fact that Ceros pretty blatantly vaporize objects, which wouldn't happen if the object was atomized?Considering that Quincy actually have Macro quantum manip, it wouldn't be much of an outlier tbh
It's anime, exact same thing can be said for aizen's EE, which goes beyond atomization.How would you account for the fact that Ceros pretty blatantly vaporize objects, which wouldn't happen if the object was atomized?
Most likely Sui Feng, with her TYBW upgradesWho yall got between Sui Feng vs Hiyori and Lisa?
Man I forgot how much she sucked
Why did I expect this....
Do you think his Hierro would get in the way of her Shikai?/Do you think if he Res'd the marks would go away?Sui Feng gets beaten up by Nnoitra
His Hierro tanked hits from Kenpachi, pretty sure he'd no sell itDo you think his Hierro would get in the way of her Shikai?/Do you think if he Res'd the marks would go away?