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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

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XSOULOFCINDERX said:
His eyepatch is a seal, not an amplifier, it explicitly nerfs him.
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Arc7Kuroi said:
There is no concrete percentage it nerfs him by, it varies, so no he will not be getting an eyepatch multiplier uniformly through each key.
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I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
 
Adam1396 said:
I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
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Both removing the eyepatch and using shikai have probably similar amps
 
Adam1396 said:
I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
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That will be determined via scaling, if base Zaraki without an eyepatch fights someone stronger than Gremmy and does better than he did against Gremmy, then yes. Right now with what we know, it's just unknown which is the bigger amp.
 
So after all, the theory which Damage was trying to debate hard against (the fact that the more pupils the almighty has the stronger it becomes) is all but confirmed



We can see in an earlier stage, where Yhwach activated the Almighty against ichibei, that he only had 2 pupils and had his power sealed.
In this stage, he most likely didn't have his Fate manipulation although it's not confirmed but it'd make the most sense, considering he still activated it in that short period.

When he finally regained his ability to use The Almighty, we can see that Yhwach has 3 pupils now, and is easily able to overpower Mimihagi, the counterpart of Pernida (Who previously sealed The Almighty while it had 2 pupils)



And after absorbing the soul king, Yhwach gained a numerous amount of pupils extra, implying that his Almighty got even more powerful at that time.
 
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Hellscream said:
So after all, the theory which Damage was trying to debate hard against (the fact that the more pupils the almighty has the stronger it becomes) is all but confirmed



We can see in an earlier stage, where Yhwach activated the Almighty against ichibei, that he only had 2 pupils and had his power sealed.
In this stage, he most likely didn't have his Fate manipulation although it's not confirmed but it'd make the most sense, considering he still activated it in that short period.

When he finally regained his ability to use The Almighty, we can see that Yhwach has 3 pupils now, and is easily able to overpower Mimihagi, the counterpart of Pernida (Who previously sealed The Almighty while it had 2 pupils)



And after absorbing the soul king, Yhwach gained a numerous amount of pupils extra, implying that his Almighty got even more powerful at that time.
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About that I think 3 pupil yhwach had fate manipulation. In fact he told ichigo what ichigo gonna do to reio is upto his eyes. That version may be could pick future from possibilities. While reio yhwach could modify these possibilities itself.
 
Adam1396 said:
Do we have explicite numbers on how many soul a hollow has to consume to become arrancer?
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Even a non-Menos hollow can become an Arrancar. Grand Fisher became an Arrancar despite not even being a Gillian. If you mean to ask for Vasto Lorde, in CFYOW Vol 2 chapter 8, Urahara said this:
The moment he said the words “Soul Reapers,” Hisagi thought of a specific person, but he kept it close to his chest. Urahara, seemingly not noticing Hisagi’s behavior, didn’t tease him and answered indifferently, “The strong Arrancars in Hueco Mundo are the aggregations of several tens of thousands—or hundreds of millions—of konpaku. Whether it’s the result of them all mixing together, or the result of one strong individual overtaking the will of the others, the resulting Arrancars have their own
beliefs. That’s exactly why, if we can understand their way of thinking… even just a tiny fraction of it, if there’s a part of them that agrees with us, negotiations are possible.”
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Aaroniero had 33,650 souls, and he was a Gillian, which would line up with what Urahara said (tens of thousands). Vasto Lorde would be on the other end of the scale, having hundreds of millions of souls.
 
GOATMAN1232000 said:
Even a non-Menos hollow can become an Arrancar. Grand Fisher became an Arrancar despite not even being a Gillian. If you mean to ask for Vasto Lorde, in CFYOW Vol 2 chapter 8, Urahara said this:

Aaroniero had 33,650 souls, and he was a Gillian, which would line up with what Urahara said (tens of thousands). Vasto Lorde would be on the other end of the scale, having hundreds of millions of souls.
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Thanks. Can I get raw/translated scan for it?
 
Cien can be scaled above lot of Sternritters by himself, beside Hollow physiology, imagine being able to launch 12+ GRC as he did in SAFWY.

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Adam1396 said:
About that I think 3 pupil yhwach had fate manipulation. In fact he told ichigo what ichigo gonna do to reio is upto his eyes. That version may be could pick future from possibilities. While reio yhwach could modify these possibilities itself.
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1. Pupil (closed-eyes) see the fuure
2. 2 pupils see into the future + negate abilities + make them allies
3. 3 pupils see into the future + negate abilities + make them allies + future manipulation
4. Soul King Mimi eyes all of the above + see all possible futures at the same time for up high
 
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