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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

XSOULOFCINDERX said:
His eyepatch is a seal, not an amplifier, it explicitly nerfs him.
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Arc7Kuroi said:
There is no concrete percentage it nerfs him by, it varies, so no he will not be getting an eyepatch multiplier uniformly through each key.
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I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
 
Adam1396 said:
I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
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Both removing the eyepatch and using shikai have probably similar amps
 
Adam1396 said:
I know that. But it is still a form of amp. In other words resurrection, bankai are actually their true form. Even remaining in base without shikai bankai is a type of suppression.

Question: Can eyepatch removed zaraki be stronger than shikai eyepatch zaraki?
From implications it seems his eyepatch removal gives better amp than shikai.
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That will be determined via scaling, if base Zaraki without an eyepatch fights someone stronger than Gremmy and does better than he did against Gremmy, then yes. Right now with what we know, it's just unknown which is the bigger amp.
 
So after all, the theory which Damage was trying to debate hard against (the fact that the more pupils the almighty has the stronger it becomes) is all but confirmed



We can see in an earlier stage, where Yhwach activated the Almighty against ichibei, that he only had 2 pupils and had his power sealed.
In this stage, he most likely didn't have his Fate manipulation although it's not confirmed but it'd make the most sense, considering he still activated it in that short period.

When he finally regained his ability to use The Almighty, we can see that Yhwach has 3 pupils now, and is easily able to overpower Mimihagi, the counterpart of Pernida (Who previously sealed The Almighty while it had 2 pupils)



And after absorbing the soul king, Yhwach gained a numerous amount of pupils extra, implying that his Almighty got even more powerful at that time.
 
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Hellscream said:
So after all, the theory which Damage was trying to debate hard against (the fact that the more pupils the almighty has the stronger it becomes) is all but confirmed



We can see in an earlier stage, where Yhwach activated the Almighty against ichibei, that he only had 2 pupils and had his power sealed.
In this stage, he most likely didn't have his Fate manipulation although it's not confirmed but it'd make the most sense, considering he still activated it in that short period.

When he finally regained his ability to use The Almighty, we can see that Yhwach has 3 pupils now, and is easily able to overpower Mimihagi, the counterpart of Pernida (Who previously sealed The Almighty while it had 2 pupils)



And after absorbing the soul king, Yhwach gained a numerous amount of pupils extra, implying that his Almighty got even more powerful at that time.
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About that I think 3 pupil yhwach had fate manipulation. In fact he told ichigo what ichigo gonna do to reio is upto his eyes. That version may be could pick future from possibilities. While reio yhwach could modify these possibilities itself.
 
Adam1396 said:
Do we have explicite numbers on how many soul a hollow has to consume to become arrancer?
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Even a non-Menos hollow can become an Arrancar. Grand Fisher became an Arrancar despite not even being a Gillian. If you mean to ask for Vasto Lorde, in CFYOW Vol 2 chapter 8, Urahara said this:
The moment he said the words “Soul Reapers,” Hisagi thought of a specific person, but he kept it close to his chest. Urahara, seemingly not noticing Hisagi’s behavior, didn’t tease him and answered indifferently, “The strong Arrancars in Hueco Mundo are the aggregations of several tens of thousands—or hundreds of millions—of konpaku. Whether it’s the result of them all mixing together, or the result of one strong individual overtaking the will of the others, the resulting Arrancars have their own
beliefs. That’s exactly why, if we can understand their way of thinking… even just a tiny fraction of it, if there’s a part of them that agrees with us, negotiations are possible.”
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Aaroniero had 33,650 souls, and he was a Gillian, which would line up with what Urahara said (tens of thousands). Vasto Lorde would be on the other end of the scale, having hundreds of millions of souls.
 
GOATMAN1232000 said:
Even a non-Menos hollow can become an Arrancar. Grand Fisher became an Arrancar despite not even being a Gillian. If you mean to ask for Vasto Lorde, in CFYOW Vol 2 chapter 8, Urahara said this:

Aaroniero had 33,650 souls, and he was a Gillian, which would line up with what Urahara said (tens of thousands). Vasto Lorde would be on the other end of the scale, having hundreds of millions of souls.
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Thanks. Can I get raw/translated scan for it?
 
Cien can be scaled above lot of Sternritters by himself, beside Hollow physiology, imagine being able to launch 12+ GRC as he did in SAFWY.

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Adam1396 said:
About that I think 3 pupil yhwach had fate manipulation. In fact he told ichigo what ichigo gonna do to reio is upto his eyes. That version may be could pick future from possibilities. While reio yhwach could modify these possibilities itself.
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1. Pupil (closed-eyes) see the fuure
2. 2 pupils see into the future + negate abilities + make them allies
3. 3 pupils see into the future + negate abilities + make them allies + future manipulation
4. Soul King Mimi eyes all of the above + see all possible futures at the same time for up high
 
Tyri456 said:
Cien can be scaled above lot of Sternritters by himself, beside Hollow physiology, imagine being able to launch 12+ GRC as he did in SAFWY.

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Luppi can fire 8 of them and he's nothing special. Also I'm pretty sure Cien doesn't go past pre FB arc Zaraki
 
Deceived3596 said:
It is stated in the databook it gives the illusion of infinity, implying it isn't actually infinite in size, but is perceptively skewed to imply it extends to infinity.
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Ain't it stated to be infinite in both manga and cfyow?
I think in such cases we should give story materials more credibility.

Another thing I've seen with gin's statement which goes against many more feats than aligning. In such case I don’t think these statement should be value. Just my personal opinion
 
I want to know anotger thing.
To be a macrocosm is it important to have multiple space time continums? Or space times? Or universal realm?
 
Blallooo said:
Luppi can fire 8 of them and he's nothing special. Also I'm pretty sure Cien doesn't go past pre FB arc Zaraki
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You know thats irrelevant saying "pre FB arc zaraki" as if it is weak when that zaraki has tons feats in novel and is canonically stronger than TYBWA Shunsui right? 😭😭😭

Most of sternitter dont go past by fullbring arc zaraki either
 
Tyri456 said:
You know thats irrelevant saying "pre FB arc zaraki" as if it is weak when that zaraki has tons feats in novel and is canonically stronger than TYBWA Shunsui right? 😭😭😭

Most of sternitter dont go past by fullbring arc zaraki either
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Stronger than Shunsui in physicals definitely yes. Doesn't say a lot tho, Shunsui is relative to Starrk who's quite inferior to like Robert or Mask. I don't think anything directly puts pre muken kenpachi above vollstandig sternritters, if there is remind me
 
Blallooo said:
Stronger than Shunsui in physicals definitely yes. Doesn't say a lot tho, Shunsui is relative to Starrk who's quite inferior to like Robert or Mask. I don't think anything directly puts pre muken kenpachi above vollstandig sternritters, if there is remind me
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Its not like saying vollstading sternitter is a feat or anything you know right.
All people you mentioned cant even overpower Barragan's respira, given Grimmjow in CFYOW could not. Zaraki could do it. Also shunsui aint that weak either given he could kept up to Tokinada who base to base is similar to Byakuya. IDK why they are so lowballed, Cien and Azashiro are strong af and would def scale above lot of the TYBWA cast if we take more seriously author's scaling.

SAFWY zaraki > CFYOW grimmjow
 
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Tyri456 said:
Question of the day, BLEACH manga:

Better Black and White or Colored?
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Black and White for me. Kubo is too good with them to ruin the manga with colors.

I'm fine with colors if they are use sporadically , like putting colors in the eye or a splash of blood to emphasize them in certain moments, but not more than that.
 
Blallooo said:
Stronger than Shunsui in physicals definitely yes. Doesn't say a lot tho, Shunsui is relative to Starrk who's quite inferior to like Robert or Mask. I don't think anything directly puts pre muken kenpachi above vollstandig sternritters, if there is remind me
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There's actually no evidence to suggest voldstanding sternritter are superior to safwy zaraki aside from gerard, pernida, non voldstanding gremmy. Shunsui probably mentioned safwy zaraki, azashiro are superior to him, which is narratively correct. Every kenpachi should be much stronger than captains.

Royd is just lot stronger than he is given credit for. 80% of yhwach's power is not a joke, still should be superior than other sternritter. Bro just faced a super strong guys just like yamamoto, ichibei were clowned by stronger opponents.
I think a lot would be clearer when we revise gremmy actually, but we are waiting for next cour to see how it affects scaling of others. And I don’t think gremmy's galaxy feat is outlier anymore.

I'm more curious for adult toshiro's massive upgrade.
 
Muken being "likely", "like", "almost", "illusion to be like", etc don't matter. In the end a fragment of infinity is still in the end infinity. It can't be divided with mathematical equations.
 
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