BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[TheLav69]

Yammy and stark might be stronger but I can’t see harribel and Barragan being stronger than segunda ulquiorra

Out of the 4 highest ranked espada, Harribel is the only one that you can even remotely argue that SE Ulquiorra might beat because of the SAFWY statement from Cien that puts Respira (and Starrk’s wolves and Yammy) above Ulquiorra’s Lanza.

You can argue that Ulquiorra’s statement about there being 3 espada stronger than him could apply to their released states, and that the espada he’s referring to are Yammy, Starrk, and Barragan, rather than Starrk, Barragan, and Harribel. That’s as generous as you can be to him.

 

[Bastolan27]

no

'Might be' is my polite way of saying that I don't agree but I won't say no outright because I'm polite like that. SE ulq being stronger than Harribel ***** up a lot of the scaling of other characters, but Ulq fans seem to ignore that.

 

[Bastolan27]

Yammy and stark might be stronger but I can’t see harribel and Barragan being stronger than segunda ulquiorra

Barragan negative diffs Ulq by breathing. The synapsis in ulquiorra's brain won't even know what happened.

 

[BadSystems]

I wouldn’t even say the top 3 fights were subpar (except for maybe like Halibel’s), I think it’s more so that Ulquiorra has a unique release + he fights the main character + he’s got the biggest DC. He’s also like a fan favorite character.

I must confess I didn't like Barragan's fight that much

 

[Westcoast5005]

I must confess I didn't like Barragan's fight that much

For someone who was considered the king of hueco Mundo u would think he’s much greater than what he was portrayed to be maybe arrancars and hollows just aren’t on the lvl as soul reapers and Quincy.

 

[BadSystems]

For someone who was considered the king of hueco Mundo u would think he’s much greater than what he was portrayed to be maybe arrancars and hollows just aren’t on the lvl as soul reapers and Quincy.

He lost to them track-starring, maybe Barragan should've picked up a ******* Cero or Sonido or something.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Keep in mind Baraggan also was super old, wasn’t doing much of any kind of training due to boredom for prolly thousands of years. I think he’s meant to be a shell (or a skeleton ) of his old self.

Edit: also that makes sense with highly Iko speaks of the Baraggan he knew thousands of years ago.

 

[Westcoast5005]

He lost to them track-starring, maybe Barragan should've picked up a ******* Cero or Sonido or something.

Personally think it would have been cool if barragan was on the same lvl as Yamamoto or atleast close and Aizen using tricks to beat Him like he did with Yamamoto. I know this might mess up with the plot of the separate respecting him cause of his strength but overall it does feel like arrancars are the weakest race although they are one of the coolest.

 

[Crobatman44]

Personally think it would have been cool if barragan was on the same lvl as Yamamoto or atleast close and Aizen using tricks to beat Him like he did with Yamamoto. I know this might mess up with the plot of the separate respecting him cause of his strength but overall it does feel like arrancars are the weakest race although they are one of the coolest.

I think it makes sense that the arrancar as a whole are the weakest compares to the Shinigami/Quincy.
The Shinigami have had over a thousand years to learn,create,document and just teach evert next generations the tricks of the old one,and they are also in the most "dominant" position of the 3 by the start of Bleach.
The Quincies have been preparing for war for a thousand years.
The Arrancars are a fairly recent phenomen in hollow history(at least in terms of large numbers) and Hollows as whole are fairly self destructive outside of a few,and even fewer are the type to just spread the Knowledge of "here's the manual of how to get strong".

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah Hollows are semi-restricted to their animalistic urges, and there wasn’t much of any “civilization” until the great colonizer Aizen came along.

 

[Nierre]

I knew Aizen was ******* British.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Spanish Conquistador reference


















Nierre’s head

 

[KingogKings777]

Spanish Conquistador reference


















Nierre’s head

 

[Nierre]

Spanish Conquistador reference


















Nierre’s head

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[skippy]

Klub outside:

Q: In the Thousand Year Bloody War arc, I believe that Commander Komamura became like a human due to using the human transformation technique, but was the reason why he suddenly turned into a wolf after the battle because the time limit for this technique expired?
Or was it because Commander Komamura himself was filled and overwhelmed by the desire for revenge?If the correct reason is the latter, do you agree with me that Komamura wouldn't have turned into a wolf if he kept his good/benevolent intentions, such as "protecting Soul Society"?


K: Mostly yes."Humanization Technique" is a technique/technique that allows you to maintain your human form while bearing the curse of your grandfather/great-grandfather.The moment the object of the humanization technique becomes as selfish as Sajin's desire for revenge, his grandfather's curse is forcibly applied and he transforms from his human form into a monster.

 

[Blallooo]

"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming

 

[Snoke123]

One thing I've noticed a lot is that outside of this forum, bleach suffers a lot of hate, bias and downplay. on other forums (which I prefer not to mention names, because that's not what this is for) they just say that bleach is on mountain level and other nonsense like that, and never present a real and coherent argument as to how a bleach character loses . for example, every time there is a fight: yhwach vs some naruto character. they just say that the naruto character wins, why he can blow up big things and nothing else, they never present coherent arguments about how a naruto character deals with the almighty. when they don't say other nonsense like genjutsu g.g. It's nasty, mediocre and disgusting, literally.

 

[KingogKings777]

"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

5-A FTL Sukuna vs 2-C MFTL+ Zaraki :usopplaugh:

 

[KingogKings777]

5-A FTL Sukuna vs 2-C MFTL+ Zaraki :usopplaugh:

Lol at DB using the novels and recent anime changes for Kenpachi. Can't wait for the black hole stuff to be used from Kenjaku to upscale Sukuna to solar or something.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

5-A FTL Sukuna vs 2-C MFTL+ Zaraki :usopplaugh:

:usopplaugh:

 

[Crobatman44]

I really like the explanation Kubo just gave for Komamaru's human form in Klub outside question 593.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming

Cope

Yall just ain't ready for JOGOAT


"As the strongest curse, JOGOAT fought the fraud, the head captain of the gotei, he began to open his domain. Yamamoto shrunk back in fear, then Jogo said: "Stand Proud Genryusai, you are STRONG!"

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming

The only way this could be a match up is if you take Soul Society Eyepatch Kenpachi, I and then lowball him

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Quick analysis for anyone that cares:

Sukuna, highballed:
MHS+ speed, capping around that level.
Island level, via having a higher CE output than Yorozu, and if you calc her creation of the true sphere.
Hax: Sure-hit effect from domain. Lightning creation, Durability negation via World Slash, Fire creation / high temperatures with

Kenpachi, downplayed:
Rel+ speed, keeps up with Hikone
Multi-Continent level, literally any meta while downplaying to an extreme extent but being honest
Hax: Soul Manipulation (layered, atomization, corrosion, passive), Mind Manipulation (layered), Invisibility, Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (can survive space-time burning and destroying hado 96s)

Conclusion:
Shitstomp with a highballed Sukuna and downplayed Kenpachi, whilst being honest (meaning that the strongest Shinigami shitstomps the king of frauds).

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

 

[Excellence616]

Simple additions for a few proflies

This will be kept short and simple. While I was cooking up my massive Ichigo intelligence update, I noticed a few Bleach profiles with Genius rankings but no Genius Intelligence on their page. I vote to have it be added for the following characters: Shunsui Kyōraku Gin Ichimaru Tokinada...

vsbattles.com

Squad 0 + SK candidate speed

I'm just asking a question here, does the new scaling with Squad 0's Bankai affect top tiers and speed scaling? We have it accepted that Yhwach's shadows are a speed feat and that Reiatsu=Speed. And Squad 0 can shake all three realms with their Bankai which was accepted as Universal and...

vsbattles.com

 

[Arcker123]

Rel+ speed, keeps up with Hikone

Death Battle ain't likely to use any Novel scaling.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

One thing I've noticed a lot is that outside of this forum, bleach suffers a lot of hate, bias and downplay. on other forums (which I prefer not to mention names, because that's not what this is for) they just say that bleach is on mountain level and other nonsense like that, and never present a real and coherent argument as to how a bleach character loses . for example, every time there is a fight: yhwach vs some naruto character. they just say that the naruto character wins, why he can blow up big things and nothing else, they never present coherent arguments about how a naruto character deals with the almighty. when they don't say other nonsense like genjutsu g.g. It's nasty, mediocre and disgusting, literally.

You could say this for many verses.

It's rare for me to see communities outside of wikis, with similar or greater power levels than what they have on wikis (in the verses that are updated and don't die). The same thing you said about Bleach, I could talk about One Piece. I highly doubt that the common sense of people outside this wiki is that the guys are moon level and that Luffy has a small planet attack.

Generally all verses have lower power levels, not just bleach. Or they have a consensus that hax works differently than this wiki considers.

You said, "outside this forum", so I think you consider that this forum doesn't underestimate bleach much. But I know a wiki that has bleach 2-C, MFTL+ (millions .c) that constantly ridicules vsbattle for underestimating bleach so much, however this same wiki thinks that vsbattle greatly overestimates One Piece with level 5-C and Low 5 -B.

So it depends from community to community and the general sense of each one. Of course there will be guys that you will throw something explicit in his face and he will act like a troll and ignore, but I'm talking more in general about a community.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You said, "outside this forum", so I think you consider that this forum doesn't underestimate bleach much. But I know a wiki that has bleach 2-C, MFTL+ (millions .c) that constantly ridicules vsbattle for underestimating bleach so much, however this same wiki thinks that vsbattle greatly overestimates One Piece with level 5-C and Low 5 -B.

Based

Edit: with respect to tier 5 OP being goofy as all hell

 

[Ped2018]

Edit: with respect to tier 5 OP being goofy as all hell

Not really

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Not really

 

[Crabwhale]

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[KingogKings777]

Is there a meme thread or something where I can post this?

 

[skippy]

Just saw a video somewhere of the Fairytail author being asked who the strongest character in fairytail is.
He answered in this setting its Acnologia, would that mean Acnologia should be considered the strongest no matter what?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah this is a Bleach general, there’s a Fairy Tail general for you to go to.

 

[Crobatman44]

Just saw a video somewhere of the Fairytail author being asked who the strongest character in fairytail is.
He answered in this setting its Acnologia, would that mean Acnologia should be considered the strongest no matter what?

Did you enter the wrong thread?
Btw will Komamura's weakness section be potentially changed with the new Klub stuff?

 

[TheLav69]

"Jogo's meteor > Gremmy's" incoming

He brought up the novel feats and the squad zero stuff, the goat

 

[Nierre]

Is there a meme thread or something where I can post this?

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