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Also why does Nanao scale to Sub-Relativistic+ whereas Shunsui only scales to regular Sub-Relativistic??
Bleach verse has a lot of weird stuff on here
Bleach verse has a lot of weird stuff on here
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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I already pointed out why that is wrong, Ichigo explicitly only went all out against SK Yhwach, furthermore, making Uryu = TS Ichigo changes the entire TYBW scaling because of Jugram who could match Uryu, it's not as simple as just changing Uryu
- Uryu becomes High 4-C for fighting TS Ichigo
- Jugram becomes High 4-C for fighting Uryu
- Gremmy becomes High 4-C for being the defacto strongest Sternritter below Yhwach so he's automatically above Jugram
- Shikai Kenpachi becomes High 4-C for beating Gremmy
- Gerard becomes High 4-C for pressuring, damaging and tanking Shikai Kenpachi
- Toshiro becomes High 4-C for cutting Hoffnung in half when Kenpachi couldn't
- Byakuya becomes High 4-C for damaging and blocking Gerard
- Bankai Yamamoto becomes High 4-C because Yhwach is the only Quincy that can handle his Bankai's power
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Might be a mistake or sth like that, I wasn't here in the last speed crts
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Is there a scan for this?
iirc Kenpachi didn’t actually physically defeat Gremmy, Gremmy just killed himself with his own power
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Kenpachi matched, tanked and cut Gremmy numerous times...you cannot argue that he doesn't scale to Gremmy, and he already does on his profile.
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All he did was shoot arrows which never landed. Plus this TS ichigo was holding back till his fight with Yhwach so it's hard to scale him
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Ichigo did hurt his hand when breaking one of Uryuu's arrow.
But as mentionned already, Ichigo wasn't serious and could be implied to be even more nerfed in this moment due to the mental stress of Uryuu seemingly being fully on the quincy's side , to the point of being okay with the destruction of the worlds.
But as mentionned already, Ichigo wasn't serious and could be implied to be even more nerfed in this moment due to the mental stress of Uryuu seemingly being fully on the quincy's side , to the point of being okay with the destruction of the worlds.
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Problem with true shikai Ichigo is that he easily suppress his power how much he likes, he can easily go from 0 to 100, there is an enormous difference between the Ichigo that release his reiastu when he face 1vs1 Yhwach and the Ichigo playing with the sternitters saying he didn’t want to kill them.
Ishida isnt even mentioned to the notable threats that could beat hikone, he would have been mentioned if he was really massively stronger than the likes of Ichibei Imo
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Regarding Royd
@Arc7Kuroi @Purgy
wasnt there a panel of fake Yhwach having still in his hand kenpachi when Yamamoto arrives? Yhwach then straight up fight Yamamoto and we see he was fake, so when he changed with Yhwach if he had kenpachi on his hand when Yama arrives? I need to read again it though not 100% sure
@Arc7Kuroi @Purgy
wasnt there a panel of fake Yhwach having still in his hand kenpachi when Yamamoto arrives? Yhwach then straight up fight Yamamoto and we see he was fake, so when he changed with Yhwach if he had kenpachi on his hand when Yama arrives? I need to read again it though not 100% sure
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Bro that was Royd, no way Yhwach fought Kenpachi and then switch with a fake one, dang that would be the most historical disrespect in whole bleach
Yhwach: Finally, I defeated that monster
Yama arrives…
Yhwach: Dang, not that old man again, got no time, Royd come here and fight with him
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Yes
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If I'm not mistaken this is quoted in cyfow, but I don't remember the volume and page
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The only way Yhwach vs Kenpachi makes sense would be:
Kenpachi arrives > fights Yhwach > Kenpachi loses > Yhwach trades with Royd and goes to see Aizen > Yhwach/Royd picks up where Yhwach left off and goes to kill Kenpachi (or mock/humiliate him) > Yamamoto arrives shortly after.
Plausible.
Kenpachi arrives > fights Yhwach > Kenpachi loses > Yhwach trades with Royd and goes to see Aizen > Yhwach/Royd picks up where Yhwach left off and goes to kill Kenpachi (or mock/humiliate him) > Yamamoto arrives shortly after.
Plausible.
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There is no evidence, it is open to everyone's interpretation. The only information said was that Royd didn't fight Zaraki
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Scan
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It was the Arc that brought the information, so the scan must be with him.
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Dang Arc, I would agree to him, but I feel bad for Yama to receive this high quality of disrespect
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From Bleach The Dagger (a mini info pamphlet of sorts akin to Memories of the Soul):
https://media.**********.net/attachments/959601670864666664/983716698798571530/unknown.png
Bottom Right: "The strong Zaraki Kenpachi was specified to be a Special War Potential, the end result was that he was defeated by Yhwach”
https://media.**********.net/attachments/959601670864666664/983716698798571530/unknown.png
Bottom Right: "The strong Zaraki Kenpachi was specified to be a Special War Potential, the end result was that he was defeated by Yhwach”
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That was lille's arrow not uryu
Occams razor this argument relies on way too many assumptions.
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@Arc7Kuroi With all respect, may I know the source and the confirmed translation? Also, when it is publically revealed and where?
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Reread my message, I tell you what it’s from in my message
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I asked where do you get the translation from? I know it is from a mini info pamphlet of sorts akin to Memories of the Soul.Reread my message, I tell you what it’s from in my message
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That doesn't inherently prove that it was Yhwach himself that slapped up Kenpachi during that encounter.
"He was defeated by Yhwach" isn't a contradictory statement against the assertion that Royd Loyd was the one who slapped Kenpachi up instead of Yhwach himself since Royd Loyd was physically disguise as Yhwach at that specific point of time, which would be perfectly in line with the statement "He was defeated by Yhwach" because he was defeated by "Yhwach", it was just Royd in disguise as Yhwach.
It also takes more assumptions to claim that for some reason the real Yhwach came out of nowhere to slap Kenpachi up, than proceeds to dip compared to the assertion that Royd Loyd, while disguise as Yhwach slapped up Kenpachi on his way to fight Yamamoto.
It would also contradict the fact Yhwach was specifically talking to Aizen at that point of time while Royd was doing his stuff, you'd have to assert that Yhwach stopped talking to Aizen just to do this action, than teleport back to Aizen to continue the conversation they were having previously. It just doesn't make logical sense in comparison to the claim that it was Royd Loyd who dicked on Kenpachi.
Arc7Female proving once again why she's a Reio victim smdh.
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I prefer to go with an omniscient narrator claiming Yhwach defeated Kenpachi, rather than making an assumption. Someone already pointed out Yhwach could’ve swapped after defeating Kenpachi, and it fits fine.That doesn't inherently prove that it was Yhwach himself that slapped up Kenpachi during that encounter.
"He was defeated by Yhwach" isn't a contradictory statement against the assertion that Royd Loyd was the one who slapped Kenpachi up instead of Yhwach himself since Royd Loyd was physically disguise as Yhwach at that specific point of time, which would be perfectly in line with the statement "He was defeated by Yhwach" because he was defeated by "Yhwach", it was just Royd in disguise as Yhwach.
It also takes more assumptions to claim that for some reason the real Yhwach came out of nowhere to slap Kenpachi up, than proceeds to dip compared to the assertion that Royd Loyd, while disguise as Yhwach slapped up Kenpachi on his way to fight Yamamoto.
It would also contradict the fact Yhwach was specifically talking to Aizen at that point of time while Royd was doing his stuff, you'd have to assert that Yhwach stopped talking to Aizen just to do this action, than teleport back to Aizen to continue the conversation they were having previously. It just doesn't make logical sense in comparison to the claim that it was Royd Loyd who dicked on Kenpachi.
Arc7Female proving once again why she's a Reio victim smdh.
Deceived continuing his FKT Kisuke < Ulq level takes
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It doesn't inherently prove your claim Arc, that's just object reality, your cope doesn't counter what i said
Concession Accepted via burden of rejoinder GG
Reio35 Harem Member acting brazy rn.Deceived continuing his FKT Kisuke < Ulq level takes
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Occam’s razor GG. An omniscient narrator, like the one providing the statement, wouldn’t be limited by the in character knowledge on Royd Loyd. Considering said omniscient narrator claims Yhwach defeated Kenpachi, Occam’s Razor sides with my interpretation. Furthermore, my interpretation isn’t contradicted by any information inherently.It doesn't inherently prove your claim Arc, that's just object reality, your cope doesn't counter what i said
Concession Accepted via burden of rejoinder GG
The cope continues decieved
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Yeah the anime could show a flashback of when Yhwach swapped out with Royd when he brings it up to Yama
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I’m not following this but i fail to see how this is a rebuttal to Deceived’s point.
He’s just arguing that the statement is contextually referring to Royd. No reason a narrator can’t do that. Occam’s razor doesn’t state the simplest solution always must be taken, it simply states entities shouldn’t be multiplied beyond necessity. Deceived is arguing that there is justification for his more complex claim, so occams really wouldn’t apply here.
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The statement being from an omniscient narrator doesn't negate the assumptions that can be made about the statement, since the statement isn't saying this was objectively Yhwach himself that was the one who destroyed Kenpachi, it just states that it was Yhwach who defeated Kenpachi, which has multiple interpretations. And i believe my interpretation is the most consistent one logically and narratively.
Also, "the Statement would be limited by the in character knowledge of Royd Loyd" isn't a counter to what i'm saying since the statement isn't one of objective fact in the context of who specifically was the one who defeated Kenpachi, just because a statement is made by an omniscient narrator doesn't mean the statement doesn't have or requires additional context from the Manga.
Bad argumentation.
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“Yhwach defeated Kenpachi” does not have multiple interpretations. It has a single interpretation, Yhwach, the leader of the Quincy and the main antag of the final arc, defeated Kenpachi in combat. This is not some vague comment that has a variety of interpretations. It is simply telling us who defeated Kenpachi Zaraki, that being Yhwach.
The only piece of information I have to assume is that Yhwach swapped with Royd after defeating Kenpachi. Which is logically deduced from The Dagger statement, and holds 0 contradictions.
The only piece of information I have to assume is that Yhwach swapped with Royd after defeating Kenpachi. Which is logically deduced from The Dagger statement, and holds 0 contradictions.
3* you’re included
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Since the one who defeated Kenpachi, whether it was Royd or Yhwach, had Yhwach's appearance, personality and memories, then metaphysically it could be said that whoever defeated Kenpachi was Yhwach no matter which one of them it was.
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