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Arc has brought up the idea to me of making it canon, so he'll probably make a thread for it in the future.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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EldemadeDityjon
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SAFWY states Few things from Reigi Arc. It also can be used for Canon I think
. Any thoughts on that.
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Kubo said he is involved in every process of the anime even to the point he supervises every spoken line by the voice actors. If the Koga fight is canon in his new vision then it is canon.
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I’ll tackle stuff like that after we wrap up the main continuity. Im not gonna dive into that rn, but I will later.
EldemadeDityjon
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No hurry. I was just curious take your time. Also I am still waiting for Tybw revisions
. Can't wait for more 5B characters from Bleach
EldemadeDityjon
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Man the arc has too many things which can be used for scaling.
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Was the Koga vs Byakuya fight from TYBW deleted in the blu ray version?
EldemadeDityjon
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Didn't checked that.
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He what?
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Like?
EldemadeDityjon
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Characters using Kidos. Also few other mind based abilities. Byakuya merging with his Zanpackto to counter mind manipulation.
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It's actually ep 13 being longer yeah. (Not 12 + 13 together like some people are speculating).
Jaymes Hanson confirmed it so it's pretty much a given.
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Excuse me...
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ehh, just a mention of reigai arc characters shouldn't make them canonSAFWY states Few things from Reigi Arc. It also can be used for Canon I think
they also contradict it, by saying Muramasa is a clan sword, and not any individual's Zanpakuto like it is in the Zanpakuto rebellion arc
It also doesn't really have a place to fit in. I think its inclusion wasn't really that deep of a thing. I don't think it's them telling us the flood gates are opened, and all of these filler arcs are canon
EldemadeDityjon
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The fact it's not about just characters some events are mentioned too
Not really it was not explained in Zanpackto rebellion arc how Koga got Muramasa. Also the power it had worthy to be called as Clan Zanpackto. You can say due to war Head of the family may have given that Zanpackto to Koga. Because it just falls under assumption at this point.
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it was explained Muramasa was the clan sword
also in general the arc just does not fit in with the bleach manga. It's evidently made by the pierrot staff, and it doesn't even fit the characterization of certain characters from the manga.
Yama and Ginrei's assault on Koga just would not have happened like that in the bleach manga.
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It fits. It was made to fit. So it fits. Because Kubo said it fits. It fits in his vision. So it fits in your side where the sun doesn't shine too. It just fits.
EldemadeDityjon
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They were at war before Koga was sealed.
You know it's like a side story overall it doesn't Contradicts with anything.
Doesn't matter because they didn't lost to him beside they still locked him up without any Zanpackto help.
EldemadeDityjon
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We can make it fit.
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a clan sword isn't an idividual's zanpakuto from their soul imprinted on an asauchi
more like filler. It couldn't really happen, and it's not referenced in the actual manga either.
Yama's fighting style was radically different
Look, Muramasa even dies by the end. That doesn't fit with CFYOW
They also spend a long time just ******* around, when they should all be preparing for their battle with Aizen
EldemadeDityjon
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Bruh Toki can use family Zanpackto even though it's not his. You know during the war it's possible instead of getting a asuchi it's possible Koga to got the Muramasa instead.
It's refering to Tybw anime in wiki we are taking it as primary canon.
Also you can fit this into after Aizen defeat arc.
Additional scene
Did CFYOW states anything about Muramusa still existing in Kuchiki clan? Definitely i don't remember that
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it's said to not be his own Zanpakuto tho, it's specified. He also had his own before it was confiscated
When Ichigo had lost his powers and was heavily weakened? Sure...
EldemadeDityjon
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Bruh current Era doesn't have any war but Koga era was filled with it. Also Koga is a commoner I don't think he did had any of his own Zanpackto.
He didn't lost all of his powers instantly. I mean what him being weaker would Contradicts anything?
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Nah in the manga it's basically implied that he loses them basically instantly, and from what Kisuke says in the canon novel that's in UNMASKED, it implies he can't go back to a level where he can be a soul reaper
Also, then it wouldn't really be the "final" getsuga tensho, lmao. It's just silly if he can go fight people after performing Mugetsu. When trying to fit in this filler arc into the timeline, you're doing more mental work than the people who wrote it did
EldemadeDityjon
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But we see him losing the power overtime. Also captain class may vary you know. The Byakuya and kenpachi at this point are not on the level of Shunsui and Yama despite all are captains.
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Bro, if you're saying this is after FKT, Shunsui gets demolished by Byakuya.Also, read this:
Urahara verbatum says the first stage of him losing his powers is getting knocked out, then the second stage is he wakes up and his remaining spiritual energy vanishes
EldemadeDityjon
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I thought Ichigo lost his power overtime. I guess I was wrong.
EldemadeDityjon
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Idk. I don't think Shunsui trains like Byakuya and gets strong in every Arc. It's implied Byakuya reached Shunsui level in CFYOW.
Yeah my bad manga also has instant loss of Ichigo powers
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Zanpakuto Rebellion occurs after Grimmjow's Fraccione invade and before Ichigo invades HM...
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Pretty sure most the filler take place in between SS and HM Invasion
Cept the Regai I think...that was post FKT right?
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...ok Undre...that still after Grimmjow fight and before HM
EldemadeDityjon
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Oh great then.
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EldemadeDityjon said it, and I explained why it's impossible to him
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You're saying "Shunsui level" like he's static throughout the series, when he's not
You'd be surprised, cause he really does train and get stronger. You think he defeats Lille with the same power he had against starrk?
Also regardless, FKT Shunsui <<<<<< FKT Byakuya. He practically shat on Yammy, who's leagues above Starrk's ceros
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Yes. However the sheer fact that right after Ichigo passes out after using Mugetsu and wakes up for the first time over a month later and loses his powers the same day he wakes up on basically renders null the possibility of the Reigai arc being canon. Because in that arc, while Ichigo still loses his powers overtime, he is up and about.
With that being said, Ouko (main antagonist during the Reigai arc) is stated to actually exist in the main story as per the SAFWY novel. Just like in the Reigai arc, he was a scientist doing research on mod souls. It is unfortunate because that would've served as perfect canonicity support had the manga not blatantly contradicted the way Ichigo lost his power.
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