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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Excellence616
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I pray Bleach show us Reio's past and his wife before the became Reio
Guacamolefletcher
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This is in the summaries for the Volumes. It calls the SS "Yhwach's strongest quincies,' though it's made way after Gremmy dies, and after Askin is scared asf of Gremmy's shit
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He would downscale from Yama, which via the current scaling basically makes him severely weaker, like a lot a lot.
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Excellence616
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Yhwach is his son?
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Who says he ****** someone to make Yhwach?
You don't think a near omnipotent deity can't just spawn him into existence from his own energy or some shit?!
Especially given no implications that the SK has ever ******?!
Excellence616
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Who says he ****** someone to make Yhwach?
You don't think a near omnipotent deity can't just spawn him into existence from his own energy or some shit?!
Especially given no implications that the SK has ever ******?!
. YEAH. but anything can happen tho
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Bro is just horny and wants Kubo to draw freaky alien sex with the SK and some random chick
Hell probably thrown in Ichibei for a threesome since he was alive then too
Hell probably thrown in Ichibei for a threesome since he was alive then too
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EldemadeDityjon
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But you know Askin personality. He acts like that all the times. Also Pepe says Askin is monster of his own level when he was talking about Gremmy. I do think Elites scales way above Gremmy..
Gremmy < Shikai Kenpachi < Gerard ~ TYBW Byakuya < CFYOW Byakuya < Base Aizen ~ Urahara > ~ Askin
Guacamolefletcher
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Byakuya doesn't scale to big Gerard (that scales to shikai Byakuya) to any extent btw.
Bankai Byakuya can't even harm Gerard, big man slaps his petals away. It ain't shit to him.
Toshiro and Byakuya carefully plan out what they're gonna do, which is Toshiro freezing him, then Byakuya hits him with every sword of his 2x AP attack once he's frozen (via what they planned, except for the strongest attack part, that was byakuya's addition to it)
Then, Toshiro uses his freezing which is stated by him in the fight to function as a form of power null and weaken shit, and then Byakuya cracks FROZEN GERARD, as literally his whole body is frozen and no blood is ever spattered when that's done. Via the manga, no, even with the strongest attack Byakuya doesn't scale to Kenpachi nor Gerard.
Gerard could be > base Aizen (not saying he is btw, just as a hypothetical) with byakuya being as strong as he is and it'd go the same (if toshiro would freeze him just the same
EldemadeDityjon
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I am talking about Strongest attack from Byakuya scaling to atleast above Shikai Kenpachi. Overall. Also I don't think in the Tybw after Soul Palace training that's his amp is only 2x. It should be several times higher possibly. Just a assumption but his Shikai already has grown so strong it could one shot As nodt which should also have some affects on other abilities.
EldemadeDityjon
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It shouldn't possibly. It looks like Invulnerability in some kind from the beginning. Kubo says kenpachi couldn't destroy that even though we see kenpachi one hot gerard physical form.
Guacamolefletcher
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That's literally irrelevant btw, that doesn't scale him to shikai kenpachi. Furthermore, we literally see Shikai Kenpachi tussle with a version of gerard that's swatting away Byakuya's BANKAI
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Byakuya's feats against Gerard are honestly awful, his Bankai was constantly swatted away by Giant Gerard whilst doing zero damage to him, the best feat it has was possibly stopping the forward movement of Giant Gerard's hand, which while impressive, doesn't compare to Shikai Kenpachi causing deep gashes into Giant Gerard's body, or Adult Toshiro casually slicing through Hoffnung. Something that even Shikai Kenpachi while eyepatch-less couldn't even do, he could only knick the sword.
His ultimate Senkai attack arguably doesn't even scale fully to Giant Gerard because of Toshiro's Absolute Zero decreasing his durability. But that's debatable since Gerard likely resists the AZ effects of Toshiro ice since he could bust out of it without damage.
I love Byakuya as a character, more so than Toshiro and even Kenpachi, but his feats during the arc just don't compare to them.
His ultimate Senkai attack arguably doesn't even scale fully to Giant Gerard because of Toshiro's Absolute Zero decreasing his durability. But that's debatable since Gerard likely resists the AZ effects of Toshiro ice since he could bust out of it without damage.
I love Byakuya as a character, more so than Toshiro and even Kenpachi, but his feats during the arc just don't compare to them.
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I think the manga implies that Yhwach was born way after Reio's death and Tokinada said its possible that remnants of Reio's power manifested later in the form of Yhwach
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Shouldn't Ichigo have resistance to mind manipulation for not forgetting Senna or is mind manip and memory manip the same thing kinda or is it cause it's not done intentionally that its only memory manip? Also what about remembering Rukia or was that something else?
EldemadeDityjon
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I thought he already has that. Beside Espadas should get mind manipulation resistance for maintaining their individual consciousness from millions of other hollows.
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It might be on physiology pages
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EldemadeDityjon
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Actually Ichigo does has Resistance to mind manipulation for not forgetting Senna. It's written as memory manipulation which covers mind manipulation also
Also Hollows physiology don't have mind manipulation resistance. I guess a new CRT needed for that.
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Yeah he got Unconventional Resistance to Mind Manipulation under Soul Physiology.
EldemadeDityjon
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Well Ichigo Memory Resistance is different.
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Oken robes grant reistance to mind control. Tho I'm not sure why vs wiki took it away
EldemadeDityjon
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Well i think you are not getting what I was trying to say. Even without Oken robes Ichigo has Better mind Resistance. That's what I am saying.
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Yea and this to
Ichigo still remembers rukai. Also the device soul reapers use to erase minds doesn't work on bodies made of reishi.
Shinji genjustu'd ichigo during his training and white woke him up this can also be reistance
"A technique that throws the opponent's consciousness away by holding the palm over the opponent's face. Used in Ichigo's hollowing training."
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I guess it depends on how you interpret this: "Had it been destroyed he would've been defeated. Had he been capable of destroying it."
The core either has a much higher durability or needs some special hax to destroy. I think it's the latter since Yhwach was able to absorb him in one go. If it's the first case, then would the Miracle should also increase the core with it's effects.
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I could read 80 pages a day of bleach fights but I can't read 10 slides from uni subjects in a row
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Us Manga fans never beating the illiterate allegations
Guacamolefletcher
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TBH I think he froze that shit before he cracked it anyways, cause if not the damage would've been reflected on him, and bc he jobbed to Gerard physically
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you still salty cus you could not outdebate me
adult Toshiro downplay will end soon, with hell arc and the new anime, he was able to also freeze effortlessly giant Gerard‘s punch momentum and shield as well which would grant him scaling to that form of Gerard; the argument against him for cutting hoffung reduced to mere “hax” is pure cope. Better argue next time Yama‘s incineration from flames is hax too, when by simply being stronger you negates the effects.
if the hoffung was superior to Toshiro it would have simply resisted it, as Gerard body did while amped.
hax are related to spiritual pressure in Bleach. The only thing Toshiro negated is the side effect to not get the damage back of Hope, but the fact he shown to cut it and freeze it it’s just the way he DEALS damage because he passively emit FREEZE, even just by touching him. Saying Toshiro doesn’t scale to his freezing‘s feats is borderline idiotic.
kubo just rushed stuff near the end, but he gave Toshiro that form for the hype around him since the start, adult Toshiro is meant to be on bankai Yama level of hype and strength.
time wil tell I’m right. People don’t realise that the same way he cut the hoffung, that tanked full bloodlusted hit from shikai eyepatch zaraki, he could cut as well cut YAMAMOTO or Aizen, because that’s literally how he does damage to begin with, the freezing is passive with whatever he touches or get touched.
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