BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[skippy]

Do we apply the reiatsu rule to Shinigami vs Quincy?
Wasnt it only said to be between shinigami and i count Arrancar bcs they are shinigami like.

 

[YukaSama4]

Do we apply the reiatsu rule to Shinigami vs Quincy?

No, Nanana stunned Aizen for 5 minutes whom we know is far superior to any stern ritter in terms of reiatsu.

However it's implied multiple times that if you are very strong even the quincy's hax would have a bit weaker effect on you, example Aizen vs Nanana, Kisuke vs Askin

 

[Tyri456]

Even if for some reason you think it’s still “hax” after what I explained to you, then that’s still his rating regardless, cus he is bound to freeze everything regardless he attacks or defend.
thats literally the way he does damage as well defend him self if someone get in touch with him.

but at this point make as well yama physical scale not to his bankai flames “barrier” or attack.

 

[YukaSama4]

I do scale adult Toshiro to Gerard though

 

[AppleLord]

Some dumbass in twitter dare comment that all characters in Bleach are nothing but Kubo drawing Ichigo in different clothes. Now everyone is roasting him and is trending. lmao

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/fullbring-dangai-equalization.155093/

some experienced bleach scalers mind taking a look?
I saw the massive difference in power between true shikai ichigo/ base yhwach and got immediate brainrot

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

if the hoffung was superior to Toshiro it would have simply resisted it, as Gerard body did while amped.

bruh moment. That moment when toshiro says that him freezing shit is power null

reduced to mere “hax” is pure cope

he freezes it before cutting it which makes him weaker. Read Bleach pls. The fight straight up shows if you damage the sword you get the damage reverted on you. Why do you think it worked on Shikai Kenny and not toshiro after freezing the sword? Cause it nullified the powers

kubo just rushed stuff near the end, but he gave Toshiro that form for the hype around him since the start, adult Toshiro is meant to be on bankai Yama level of hype and strength.

What??? Lmao. If he was bankai yama level, he wouldn't need help from ******* Byakuya to pack up Gerard, a Byakuya weaker than base Aizen.

I do scale adult Toshiro to Gerard though

Unfortunately when Gerard grabs Toshiro, he can literally restrain him completely and has him backed into a corner. Everything points to Toshiro performing good via power nullification hax instead of being this crazy physically strong MF.

 

[Excellence616]

@Arc7Kuroi when will your next meal be served?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

@Arc7Kuroi when will your next meal be served?

I’m thinking early July

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I’m thinking early July

This thread on July

 

[Reio35]

No, Nanana stunned Aizen for 5 minutes whom we know is far superior to any stern ritter in terms of reiatsu.

However it's implied multiple times that if you are very strong even the quincy's hax would have a bit weaker effect on you, example Aizen vs Nanana, Kisuke vs Askin

He attack points on aizens body that didn't have reiastu protecting him

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Since we’re on the topic of Gerard his ability the miracle is stated that converts incoming attacks into its own power." Its power and gigantic growth are proportional to the amount of damage, and increase with more attacks.

Are the amps he receive from the miracle for taking damage 1:1? or is it less/more?

No, we don’t know the ratio

 

[Blallooo]

bruh moment. That moment when toshiro says that him freezing shit is power null

he freezes it before cutting it which makes him weaker. Read Bleach pls. The fight straight up shows if you damage the sword you get the damage reverted on you. Why do you think it worked on Shikai Kenny and not toshiro after freezing the sword? Cause it nullified the powers

What??? Lmao. If he was bankai yama level, he wouldn't need help from ******* Byakuya to pack up Gerard, a Byakuya weaker than base Aizen.


Unfortunately when Gerard grabs Toshiro, he can literally restrain him completely and has him backed into a corner. Everything points to Toshiro performing good via power nullification hax instead of being this crazy physically strong MF.

He does freeze his shield thrown tho right ? that's more than enough to scale him as far as I'm concerned

 

[Reio35]

No, we don’t know the ratio

Yes It's stated in the editorial notes

 

[Malekith]

very interesting video

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes It's stated in the editorial notes

I’m not going to bother explaining the issue of that with you

 

[KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815]

Yes It's stated in the editorial notes

The same editor who said jugram was the “strongest enemy ever”?

 

[Reio35]

The same editor who said jugram was the “strongest enemy ever”?

The irony

 

[PrettyVixenGirl]

Byakuya's feats against Gerard are honestly awful, his Bankai was constantly swatted away by Giant Gerard whilst doing zero damage to him, the best feat it has was possibly stopping the forward movement of Giant Gerard's hand, which while impressive, doesn't compare to Shikai Kenpachi causing deep gashes into Giant Gerard's body, or Adult Toshiro casually slicing through Hoffnung. Something that even Shikai Kenpachi while eyepatch-less couldn't even do, he could only knick the sword.

It actually is more impressive as its a stronger form of Gerard, to which the feats you mentioned only apply to lesser version meaning its quite possible said feats wont even work against the Gerard that got stopped by Byakuya. Esp since after being defeated/killed Gerard gets way stronger. People say stopping the hand isnt impressive as splitting Gerard but it actually is more impressive if they can't replicate said feats against a version of him evolved to be stronger than them. So if Byakuya really did stop his hand (we will see in anime ig) its a better feat imo. Also Byakuya didn't seem like he cared at all about that fight even when Gerard was in his last form he still wasn't worried. So that part about him swatting senbonzakura isnt really all that solid. Could just be "casual" after casually one shotting him prior. Also the reason Gerard got that strong, was due to Byakuya to begin with. It was literally his power that turned him into that massive op state as its because he was dealt alot of damage. That alone should scale him imo.

As far as Ikka Senjikka i still don't see why a move is needed if his durability was weakened. Seems more like he better off using regular senbonzakura if the ice nerfed his durability that much. But he didn't he used his strongest move which should mean all the ice probably did was hopefully stop his regen and give Byakuya a free hit. When people say its because he was frozen is just nitpick. If frozen ppl are that much weaker why does Toshiro let people rot in ice instead of shattering em? Y'all dont have scale Byakuya idc but that's just how i feel about it

 

[PrettyVixenGirl]

Now that i think about it, how often does Toshiro shatter people after freeze? Since the Ikka argument is just "he was frozen." But Toshiro im pretty sure always allow people to freeze for eternity rather than attempt to break them. Which is important on the topic of "weakened durability" would make more sense to one shot em no? If Byakuya hadn't done anything he probably would of let Gerard stay frozen. Meaning Ikka Senjikka Ap is likely > anything Adult Toshiro can do. Maybe not Bankai Kenpachi's ap, but probably Toshiro

 

[Blallooo]

Now that i think about it, how often does Toshiro shatter people after freeze? Since the Ikka argument is just "he was frozen." But Toshiro im pretty sure always allow people to freeze for eternity rather than attempt to break them. Which is important on the topic of "weakened durability" would make more sense to one shot em no? If Byakuya hadn't done anything he probably would of let Gerard stay frozen. Meaning Ikka Senjikka Ap is likely > anything Adult Toshiro can do. Maybe not Bankai Kenpachi's ap, but probably Toshiro

I think he froze shawlong to diamond dust in arrancar arc. I think him being injured but still alright After fighting final form Gerard off screen might be a way to scale him.

 

[AppleLord]

Am I the only one who doesn't like walls of text?

 

[Reio35]

Now that i think about it, how often does Toshiro shatter people after freeze? Since the Ikka argument is just "he was frozen." But Toshiro im pretty sure always allow people to freeze for eternity rather than attempt to break them. Which is important on the topic of "weakened durability" would make more sense to one shot em no? If Byakuya hadn't done anything he probably would of let Gerard stay frozen. Meaning Ikka Senjikka Ap is likely > anything Adult Toshiro can do. Maybe not Bankai Kenpachi's ap, but probably Toshiro

When he froze bazz bee he thought it was enough to ripp him apart. When rukai froze asnot he turn to dust. In the 1st movie rukai froze someone and he crumbled. Toshiro froze bazz bee's bow and it crumbled. So it does null durability.


Freezing things in general makes them more brittle

 

[PrettyVixenGirl]

Yea but can't also ignore the situations where things did not crumble and in those situations its heavily implied even frozen wouldnt have the ap to finish people. Yes i know it makes things more brittle, but im saying its not enough in every situation for the durabiltiy of the target to be one shotable, otherwise that would be more convenient than giving the target a chance at life again (which happens every time he freezes almost). Instead of just one shotting them so they never get a chance again. It only seems to work when the target is weaker where they crumble. Wasnt gunna happen to Luppi, Halibel, Gerard, Aizen, or anybody else really i dont remember all. So ap is still a factor with this freeze. Otherwise its the easiest one shot ever. So its still likely Ikka Senjika > Adult Toshiro attacks from an ap standpoint.

 

[Arcker123]

Vote goobers

 

[Reio35]

Could this be used as proof reiastu stores info?

 

[Reio35]

Yea but can't also ignore the situations where things did not crumble and in those situations its heavily implied even frozen wouldnt have the ap to finish people. Yes i know it makes things more brittle, but im saying its not enough in every situation for the durabiltiy of the target to be one shotable, otherwise that would be more convenient than giving the target a chance at life again (which happens every time he freezes almost). Instead of just one shotting them so they never get a chance again. It only seems to work when the target is weaker where they crumble. Wasnt gunna happen to Luppi, Halibel, Gerard, Aizen, or anybody else really i dont remember all. So ap is still a factor with this freeze. Otherwise its the easiest one shot ever. So its still likely Ikka Senjika > Adult Toshiro attacks from an ap standpoint.

No toshiro said he could freeze gerard to the bone and that byakuya would be able to pulverize him

And this toshiro was leagues below gerard

 

[PrettyVixenGirl]

All i got from that was Byakuya has what it takes to deal a real finishing blow and Toshiro doesn't. Not like Gerard is gunna stand there and tank Ikka Senjikka. He just gave him an opening, not weaken him to a one shotable level. But anyway i don't see point in this as when the anime animates the fight it'll probably show Byakuya stopping Gerard's attack which is enough to scale by itself otherwise this is just nitpicking

 

[Reio35]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/ichigo-reality-buster.155160/

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/yasutora-sado-chad-vs-hong-meiling-bleach-vs-touhou.155158/

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Yes It's stated in the editorial notes

My brother in Yhwach, him using damage to evolve does not mean that he instantly outgrows whatever damaged him.

If this was the case, then Gerard would become stronger than he actually does

 

[Reio35]

My brother in Yhwach, him using damage to evolve does not mean that he instantly outgrows whatever damaged him.

If this was the case, then Gerard would become stronger than he actually does

It does in the editorial notes it stated he takes in the power and damaged he received.

And he actually did become extremely powerful compared to his base. In cfyow it's stated his size is proportional to his power. He got at least 40× bigger after being attack by the G13 and then gets a holy form Amp after being attack by kenpachi. So dued got at least 400× more powerful after receiving damage and this not including his final form which stated was monstrous compared to his other forms

 

[That_moron2]

Where do y'all scale him?

I've got Likely at least Country level A.P(Killed a Vasto Lorde, which are stronger than average captains)

 

[Excellence616]

Where do y'all scale him?

I've got Likely at least Country level A.P(Killed a Vasto Lorde, which are stronger than average captains)

As a Kenpachi, above average Captain level. Multi Continental

 

[Arcker123]

Where do y'all scale him?

I've got Likely at least Country level A.P(Killed a Vasto Lorde, which are stronger than average captains)

I mean. His best feats are beating up Adjuchas to Vasto Lorde's, so 6-B is a bare minimum.

He's got good lore with his Bankai though, he can destroy all of sereitei and could've killed Azashiro.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Iirc Squad 0 was scouting him and his Bankai could’ve killed Azashiro. So he definitely has Multi-Continental scaling

 

[Ped2018]

Heads up, the 5-B (Zaraki and Azashiro's feat) calc is not on the verse page yet

 

[Arcker123]

Heads up, the 5-B (Zaraki and Azashiro's feat) calc is not on the verse page yet

I'll do it

Edit: The notes section needs to be updated too.

 

[Ped2018]

I'll do it

Thanks

Edit: The notes section needs to be updated too.

I agree, but i think it's better to do it when all the AP revisions are done, but it's better to Arc decide that.

 

[Spilxson2]

Is it possible for me to make matchups between Mega Man and Bleach characters since Mega Man is said to not have a soul and would possibly therefore avoid being crushed out of existence?