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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

skippy said:
Just found out about a bonus chapter in Bleach where Ichigo Comments he would like to have a Blade that will shatter fate 👀
Ichigo Fate Manip confirmed?
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Honestly when yhwach explain that Ichigo has changed his fate. It's clear cut Passive probability manipulation on Ichigo case. I mean we have novel statement for infinite futures. Ichigo has been constantly changing his path. The drawing in the manga clearly shows Ichigo jumping from one path to another.

But shattering fate not sure let's wait for anime.
 
" 目の前に手をかざすことで、 対象の 意識を奪う技。 催眠系の一種である
A technique that deprives the target of their consciousness by holding their hands in front of them. a type of hypnosis"



I think all bleach characters should have mind hax this point. In umasked it stated shinji knocked ichigo unconscious using a technique during his hollow training. Yamamto used a similar move on momo. Not mention hakufuku which was used by kisuke,tessai,momo,hisagi and gin.
 
Reio35 said:
" 目の前に手をかざすことで、 対象の 意識を奪う技。 催眠系の一種である
A technique that deprives the target of their consciousness by holding their hands in front of them. a type of hypnosis"



I think all bleach characters should have mind hax this point. In umasked it stated shinji knocked ichigo unconscious using a technique during his hollow training. Yamamto used a similar move on momo. Not mention hakufuku which was used by kisuke,tessai,momo,hisagi and gin.
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pretty sure bleach characters already have a certain degree of mind hax on their shinigami physiology page
 
💀

In "memories of the soul" it's stated ichigo transcended his fate. Yhwach says ichigo overcame nigh impossible situation because he can change the future.

Its pretty consistent
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
Where do think third fusion Aizen stands at (the one who destroyed the kototsu) do you think he runs through squad zero like the manga volume summary implies?
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In just his base he's already above all of them except ichibei and oetsu who are confirmed above yama. In 3rd fusion he gets much stronger so he takes it easy
 
Oeteu was never stated above Yama tf? Not counting that Squad Zero>Gotei statement that's clearly just Ichibei carrying them

Only Shinigami stronger than Yamamoto are

- Ichibei

- Kenpachi
 
And even then, the reiatsu gap needs to me uncomparable which is not the case
only statement we have is "squad zero being stronger than gotei 13"
Which is their combined strength, not individual strength and bankai yamamoto himself carries gotei 13
 
Hellscream said:
And even then, the reiatsu gap needs to me uncomparable which is not the case
only statement we have is "squad zero being stronger than gotei 13"
Which is their combined strength, not individual strength and bankai yamamoto himself carries gotei 13
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Same for Royal Guard.
Ichibei carries 🤷‍♂️
 
Yeah but no one is claiming that yamamoto beats ichibei, im saying that yamamoto is beating oetsu
And aizen literally stated that they've been under the effect of kyouka suigetsu all along
 
depends on who you consider as god tier
I'd say top level sternritters, Yhwach, Ichigo, Aizen, Ichibei still beat him
(lille barro, gerard and pernida) askin would just get one shot
 
Hellscream said:
depends on who you consider as god tier
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- Dangai and True Power Ichigo

- Any Form of God Aizen ( Condom to Chair )

- TBYW Almighty Yhwach and SK Yhwach

- Soul King

- Full Power Hikone

- The Cleaner ( It's supposed to be a being of "Reason" beyond Shinigami and Hollows )

- CFYOW Kenpachi

- Post SK Fragment Absorbed Ikomikidomoe

- I guess technically Orihime but that's solely in defense and reaction timing...if she could gain killing intent for her AP then it would be solid

- Original Gillian
 
Oetsu says he can beat yhwach by himself with a few swings even after seeing him pack yama. Oetsu defeated sterrriters stronger than royd who yama mid diffed. Oestu easily breaks zangestu even says it's brittle. Not to mention we never see them go all out because their bankai would get taken. He's also able to forge true zangestu which scales him to ts ichigo

Pretty much all the members have been shown blitzing captains or sterrriters comparable to captains. Not saying that all them can beat yama in a 1 v 1 but they would give a hard time.
 
Reio35 said:
Oetsu says he can beat yhwach by himself with a few swings even after seeing him pack yama. Oetsu defeated sterrriters stronger than royd who yama mid diffed. Oestu easily breaks zangestu even says it's brittle. Not to mention we never see them go all out because their bankai would get taken. He's also able to forge true zangestu which scales him to ts ichigo

Pretty much all the members have been shown blitzing captains or sterrriters comparable to captains. Not saying that all them can beat yama in a 1 v 1 but they would give a hard time.
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Him forging an asauchi doesnt scale him to Ichigo, Ichigo still needed to insert his soul into it to power it up.

only oetsu is debetable but nobody else except Ichibei can beat him.
Not counting Cfyow
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
Even though cfyow kenpachi is stronger he has no means of permanently putting gerard down because of the miracle.

Out of the god tiers who do you think cfyow zaraki is stronger than ap wise ? because I honestly think he’s final fusion Aizen~True shikai level at best.

1.) true bankai hos Ichigo
2.) sk Yhwach
3.) muken Aizen
4.) cfyow kenpachi
5.) Soul king fragments absorbed Ikomikidomoe/full power hikone
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You forgot to list Chad (King of Hell), he's going to reveal himself as the grandson of the Devil, his coin fullbring hasn't been unlocked for this reason.
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
Even though cfyow kenpachi is stronger he has no means of permanently putting gerard down because of the miracle.

Out of the god tiers who do you think cfyow zaraki is stronger than ap wise ? because I honestly think he’s final fusion Aizen~True shikai level at best.
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Definitely not Chair Aizen level yet

We know his Base ( no eyepatch ) is roughly Condom Aizen level give he matched a full power hikone who's power was breaking shinigami/hollow barrier similar to Condom Aizen

Then in Shikai he one shot Ikomikidomoe who absorbed a SK fragment and surpassed Hikone and then his Bankai amps his stats TREMENDOUSLY

All in He should definitely also beat Rockstar Aizen in a straight up fight

Idk about him even getting past Butterfly Aizen though given his SK scaling

Too much
 
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