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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Doesn't fullbring Bankai Ichigo have a 25x multiplier? It also uses hollow powers and I think it's equivalent to a mask.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
should be at least 10-20x. FB Shikai < V Quilge < V Aton Quilge 2x < V Ayon Quilge with Blut 5-10x < FB Bankai Ichigo.
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Actually its FB shikai<<<V qulige<<<Base ayon<<<Resurrection ayon 4 to 8x=Blut vein amped quilge<<<V ayon quilge<<<V ayon amped quilge with blute 5-10x.<<FB bankia<<<FB bankai with blute

So 25 to 50x with blute 50 to 250x
 
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Reio35 said:
Actually its FB shikai<<<V qulige<<<Base ayon<<<Resurrection ayon 4 to 8x=Blut vein amped quilge<<<V ayon quilge<<<V ayon amped quilge with blute 5-10x.<<FB bankia<<<FB bankai with blute

So 25 to 50x with blute 50 to 250x
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From what I recall, the chain goes as follows:

FB Bankai =< (needed repeated hits to start drawing blood) Ayon + Voll Quilge dura (6 + 6 = 12 or if Blut is also a multiplier on Ayon’s dura 7*6 = 42) >>> Ayon + Voll Quilge AP (6 + 1 = 7) > Ayon (> 6) >> Blut Voll Quilge dura (= 6) >>> Voll Quilge (dura = 1) = FB Shikai (let’s say FB Shikai’s stats = 1) >>> (at least x6 since his GT overpowered six Heilig Pfeil at once) base Quilge AP

FB Bankai is at least a 12-42 multiplier on FB Shikai.

Quilge’s Vollstandig took him from being below x6 FB Shikai to bring comparable or superior in AP so x10 for his Vollstandig seems fair. It would also be supported by Vollstandigs being superior to a bunch of mastered Bankai stolen from the Captains … not that this plays into the scaling chain.

Seeing as being at least x6 stronger allowed FB Shikai to catch and no sell base Quilge’s attacks, we can use this for a rough estimate to gauge Blut’s buff to his defense for tanking FB Shikai’s GT without trying.

Considering Byakuya thought that Renji’s Bankai would allow him to defeat As (ergo break his Blut) when his Shikai could do nothing, x5 for it is a bare minimum. This is also backed up by Quilge stating Yhwach would need to buff the defense of Blut Vene meaning it’s a fixed amp for everyone.

Edit: Also ooc, the comparison between 30% Cien and Yammy, is it referring to base Cien or Rez Cien and Dino Yammy or Monkey Yammy?
 
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You know, Blut being equal to a Bankai makes it even more damn impressive when Ichibe completely stomped on Yhwach's Blut.
 
Reio35 said:
Actually its FB shikai<<<V qulige<<<Base ayon<<<Resurrection ayon 4 to 8x=Blut vein amped quilge<<<V ayon quilge<<<V ayon amped quilge with blute 5-10x.<<FB bankia<<<FB bankai with blute

So 25 to 50x with blute 50 to 250x
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This could be useful given that hallibel > ayon
and that people like base Aizen are still >> hallibel
 
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Damage3245 said:
Base Ichibei also clashes evenly with pre-Almighty Yhwach, so that's a bit funky.
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Looking at the fight, Ichibe wasn't really taking Yhwach too seriously. The fact that after their clash in the air Ichibe just casually palms Yhwach attacks, then goes on to crush his Blut barrier and then flexes out Blut from inside of his body and damages Yhwach, all this shows pretty well that Ichibe was just playing nice previously.
 
Shouldn’t Kenpachi have reactive power level added onto his profile? Unohana states when he’s on the verge of death he gets stronger.
 
Reio35 said:
Crazy how you accept some statements and reject others,cherry picking at it's finest
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Nope...I use statements when they aren't contradicted by blatantly obvious shit

CFYOW Grimmjow somehow being massively weaker than Barragan makes absolutely no sense given his feats in the TBYW

Hell his feats in the very same novel alone contradict this

Unless you're really going to stand there and tell me Barragan is massively above guys like Askin or Ginjo
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Nope...I use statements when they aren't contradicted by blatantly obvious shit

CFYOW Grimmjow somehow being massively weaker than Barragan makes absolutely no sense given his feats in the TBYW

Hell his feats in the very same novel alone contradict this

Unless you're really going to stand there and tell me Barragan is massively above guys like Askin or Ginjo
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Pretty sure they say it because they directly refer to prime barragan
 
Reio35 said:
Some of his higher end attacks can be scaled to blute amped yhwach like his kido which broke yhwachs blute
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Did you see what @Ovy7 posted? Ichibei was casual against Yhwach. He literally just flexed his arm when Yhwach tried to consume him with Blut Vene Anhaben and broke the Blut and ruptured Yhwach’s face in the process. No need for “higher end attacks”, unless flexing his arm is suddenly a higher end attack for him
 
What f
AnimesFreak2 said:
Nope...I use statements when they aren't contradicted by blatantly obvious shit

CFYOW Grimmjow somehow being massively weaker than Barragan makes absolutely no sense given his feats in the TBYW

Hell his feats in the very same novel alone contradict this

Unless you're really going to stand there and tell me Barragan is massively above guys like Askin or Ginjo
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What feats does Grimmjow have in TYBW that is superior to Barragan ?
 
Grimmjow was the 6th espada and Barragan was 2nd. Ikomikidome isn't an arrancar but is superior to the likes of Grimmjow and Harribel. So Barragan even before arrancarification could be superior to a hight - mid level espada.
 
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Well my point was that a non arrancar hollow can be stronger than an arrancar (example - Iko and likely pre arramcar Barragan). I don't know how ulquiorra fits into this.
 
Reio35 said:
Halibel still compares herself to fkt toshiro and it's already confirmed she's still weaker than barrgan
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she doesnt lol, she never compare herself to fkt toshiro, she compares initial hikone to that, and with the resurrection she stomps Toshiro not sure what manga you have been reading.

also

base aizen >>> CFYOW hallibel => TYBWA hallibel > FKT Hallibel
 
Jushiro and Shunsui both state that FKT Harribel was equal to Arrancar Baraggan. That already makes it impossible for CFYOW Grimmjow to be weaker than Hollow Baraggan since Grimm is now as strong or stronger than Harribel. Grimm also keeps up with people on the level of Tsukishima and who scales above Arrancar Saga Espada. The stance that Espada Baraggan was >= himself when he and Iko were the top dogs in HM makes no sense. For it to be true, you’d need to randomly assume that a dozen other characters somehow got weaker after training to be stronger rather than Baraggan who sat on a chair for millennia doing nothing but watch his goons kill each other.
 
Both SAFWY and CFYOW just have weird ass statements from time to time when it comes to scaling let's be real

Or just stupid scaling in general...I mean Kenpachi went from relative though overall weaker than God Gerard to roughly HOS Ichigo/Muken Aizen levels

******* Kenpachi wank fic
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Jushiro and Shunsui both state that FKT Harribel was equal to Arrancar Baraggan. That already makes it impossible for CFYOW Grimmjow to be weaker than Hollow Baraggan since Grimm is now as strong or stronger than Harribel. Grimm also keeps up with people on the level of Tsukishima and who scales above Arrancar Saga Espada. The stance that Espada Baraggan was >= himself when he and Iko were the top dogs in HM makes no sense. For it to be true, you’d need to randomly assume that a dozen other characters somehow got weaker after training to be stronger rather than Baraggan who sat on a chair for millennia doing nothing but watch his goons kill each other.
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When did they say halibel was = to barrgan?
 
When they first see the top 3 Espada. Shunsui asks Jushiro which one he thinks is the Primera but conclude that they can’t tell who is stronger and that they have to ask Aizen to find out.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
When they first see the top 3 Espada. Shunsui asks Jushiro which one he thinks is the Primera but conclude that they can’t tell who is stronger and that they have to ask Aizen to find out.
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That's just their base forms. Also you cant really tell how strong someone is until you fight them and they release more reiastu
 
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