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They're on the Acausality page
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Did Ulq's number change when he evolved? Cause Yammys changed when he evolved to reflect his reaitsu/power iirc.
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Res Cien stated that had Roka copied VL Ichigo's stats, he would've been in a tough situation. Implying that Res Cien~VL Ichigo.
Since Res Cien stated that he is stronger than Espada 0-2, that automatically means that VL Ichigo is stronger than them as well.
Cien never implied Ulquiorra to be a threat. Here's what the raws say:
Cien goes out of his way and mentions VL Ichigo specifically. This goes nicely with Uryu getting chills and recalling VL Ichigo when he saw Res Cien fight for the first time.
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Based on the rank givin to him by aizen. And aizen has not seen his final form.
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Yes, but is there something like the Light Speed stuff, like an criteria to complete? Or does being resistant to causality manip, fate manip, and precog grant you type 4 Irregular causality?They're on the Acausality page
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Bleach fans can’t read. Exhibit #1638859294972
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Bruh I just want type 4 Yhwach. A man can huff his hopium in peace no?
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Based?
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Then why does he think she would even consider copying ulquiorra's power if it was below the other Espada?
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It’s being worked on
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Based.It’s being worked on
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He simply acknowledged the fact that she is aware of the Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight.
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It appears Reio35 left out some much needed context regarding Cien’s statements anyhow lol. In the very next scene in the BBS adaptation, after mentioning Ichigo vs Ulq’s fight, Cien goes “if you copied Ichigo’s berserk form that would be troublesome”. When he actually talks about which transformation would’ve been tough to fight he only mentions Full Hollow Ichigo.
Meanwhile, Cien says this (paraphrased) “do you plan on copying Los Lobos, Respira, or Yammy’s maximal Res? Because if any power in Hueco Mundo surpasses that it would be me as I am now or Aizen”. So Cien is directly stating that excluding himself at full power and base Aizen; Los Lobos, Respira, and Yammy’s Res are the strongest things native to Hueco Mundo which would include Ulq’s full power.
This above is far more consistent with the raws I’ve seen as well.
Meanwhile, Cien says this (paraphrased) “do you plan on copying Los Lobos, Respira, or Yammy’s maximal Res? Because if any power in Hueco Mundo surpasses that it would be me as I am now or Aizen”. So Cien is directly stating that excluding himself at full power and base Aizen; Los Lobos, Respira, and Yammy’s Res are the strongest things native to Hueco Mundo which would include Ulq’s full power.
This above is far more consistent with the raws I’ve seen as well.
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It's in reference to Ichigo somehow beating him, implying that even if Ichigo were to beat him the top 3 would still be able to beat Ichigo.
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Why don't we use this on their profiles? Currently R2 Ulquiorra is treated as above Starrk, but this proves the opposite.
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I’m actually in the works of some scaling revisions centered around SAFWY, I was primarily waiting for bbs to finish adapting it, so I had more than a vague summary and loads of raws to sift through.
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This will probably be a part of the same revisions that'll make base Kenpachi planet level.
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Again, hmu if you need any raws.
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That thread will be a trainwreck
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Just got on Gremmy about this he didn't include VL ichigo or ulquiorra in this statement. Because he later says he would actually be threat. But excepting that statement at face value that would mean the the top 3 Espada >>>VL ichigo.
He clearly says she's probably going copy Ulquiorra or VL ichigo which again means he considers those two as the strongest in HM that she can copy
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Really shouldn’t. No actual scaling or outliers occur.
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Worry not. It'll only be (assuming there'll be a new key) Kenpachi's SAFWY key. There's a certain reason as to why he is massively stronger in the novels that he was beforehand.
Of course TYBW base Kenpachi will upscale and also keep the planet level rating.
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Here y’all can view the entire statement made by Cien that doesn’t omit important scans like Reio35 did lmao.
But as you can clearly see, Cien contextualizes his statement about copying the power displayed during Ichigo vs Ulq, as to be referring to Ichigo’s berserker form, as he explicitly says so. Furthermore, Cien just seconds prior says that excluding his Res and Aizen’s power, Los Lobos, Respira, and Yammy’s Angry Res were the strongest things native to Hueco Mundo, which would logically include anything Ulquiorra can do.
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One more thing to add too, Cien doesn’t think it’d be impossible for him to kill FH Ichigo, just that it’d be hard to do so. So it makes no logical sense for Cien to think SE Ulq, the same Ulq that got annihilated by FH Ichigo, to be a threat.
If you actually read the imgur scans, you’ll see that Cien clarifies that he was referring to Roca copying Ichigo’s berserk power. Mrk
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Roka literally states that there's nothing else she can think of other than Mugetsu that can kill Res Cien...
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Wouldn't that make Cien >>> Fragor and Ultrafragor?
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All he says is Ichigo's power would have been hard to deal with but that doesn't change the fact he thought she would Likely copy ulq or ichgio's power over the other espada
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Roka says that she can't copy Aizen's power without the Hogyoku.
So, not necessarily.
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Straight up Res Cien~VL Ichigo>>all of the Espada
Cien states that he is stronger than the Eapada 0 (Yammy).
Ironic, since when Cien entered Resurreccion his number changed from 100 to 0.
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Doesn’t change the fact that he recontextualized that statement to specifically denote just FH Ichigo. Which is a notion the raws support, I just checked.
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That's not what I read from the novel, iirc Cien said Starrk, Yammy and Barragan attacks are the strongest in HM if we didn't count Cien or Aizen
Cien thinks Roca copying VL ichigo or 2nd release ulquiorra is her best chance at beating him.
Which mean 2nd release ulq>>>>yammy>>>starrk
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The databook ranking put Yammy on the top, Ulq's rank didn't change at all
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Here's a fun scenario for people to brainstorm over; let's say that Ichigo asked the Vizards to help him invade Hueco Mundo and save Orihime, and they went with him, Chad and Uryu. Do you think they would have made a huge difference entering the battle from the beginning?
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Yes.
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Aizen would've needed to send more espada to fight with them, and Shinji's bankai would've killed most of the espada if the visords were smart enough to let Shinji do his bankai without any ally in the place
