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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Yeah PSK should have possibly MFTL based on his profile, his old “possibly FTL+“ came from scaling to TB HoS Ichigo, if you wanna make a quick CRT and just link my speed one and say this profile forgot to get updated.
Also, if you wanna know how fast Ichigo is check the verse or page and go to notes
Also, if you wanna know how fast Ichigo is check the verse or page and go to notes
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It doesn't have to be linear hasch junior.
having transcendental power that's vastly over everyone and everything around you would still grant you higher speed then them.
regardless if it isn't a 1:1 ratio.
can't believe i have to explain this to you.
No we don't.
that's complete headcanon and you couldn't prove that.
not that it even matters tbh.
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Transcends everything else is in relation to the original universe , also it is in reference to you needing power who transcends everything to dicide and act as a lichpin for the worlds , something even weakened soul king can do
Until we meet other people from the original universe ichibei is the strongest we know of besides the soul king himself , and ichibei would indeed get one-shotted by several current universe characters like zaraki , emotion amped ginjo , aizen , ichigo ....
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you haven't proved that the original universe inhabitants are weaker than the current ones so it being tied to only the original universe doesn't matter (not that this even matters/even true).
so? prime soul king >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weakened soul king.
it's quite literally stated that after soul king had his limbs removed most of his power was destroyed, so while in his prime he would be massively stronger than his weakened state.
the fact that weakened soul king is considered the benchmark for current GT's should prove to you that PSK would be above everyone given the extra context like the transcending everything statement, the entire narrative of CFYOW, singular fragments of the SK granting someone "god-like" powers to the point of making you relative towards current god tiers as shown with people like Aizen etc.
That is beyond idiotic to assume something like that, especially given Ichibe's description about the power levels of the original 5 clan heads.
actually address my arguments instead of dodging them and bringing up irrelevant points.
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Arcker123
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Is he not?
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- Characters that are Planet level scaling from Weakened Soul King's stabilization are 59.44 Zettatons
5-B to 5-A is considered GT.
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Aren't we scaling weakened reio to buttlerflyaizen and monster aizen above him ?
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Theendzero13
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You like ... ichigo is hundreds to thousands of times stronger than the weakened soul king that does not change anything
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Yeah what’s that gotta do with PSK?
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Yeah but before the upgrade we had Soul King at possibly FTL+ because he should be comparable to Ichigo
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I just don't see how ichigo upscaling hundreds of times above a weakened soul king supports prime soul king being above ichigo , like that does not support prime soul king being neither weaker nor stronger than the soul king
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So Incredulity?
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He’s the transcendent god of the verse, hence we scale him as such.
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No like how the hell did you came to that conclusion ?
Somebody upscaling massively above a weakened version of a character does not imply they are weaker than a full power version of the weaker character , period
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This is incredulity by definition. “Not seeing” something isn’t an argument. If you can’t “see something” it means you find it absurd and or don’t believe it. That’s incredulity.
Point being, you didn’t present a counter.
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When i said don't see i was asking for an explanation because i did not see how ichigo being massively above weakened reio supported prime reio being above ichigo , and i did not get said explanation
A: marcus is a thousand times stronger than fatigued thomas which means that prime thomas is stronger than marcus
B: i don't see how that supports either marcus or prime thomas being stronger than anyother
A: incredulity
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I take this to be extraordinarily proprietary. When I said you were being incredulous, I assume you meant what’s standardly meant by the phrase “I’m not seeing it.” If you’re using some other definition than this is uninteresting
You still also didn’t present a counter
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tbh after deceived arguments i am fine with a possible rating , i just want to know how the benchmark stuff supports anything , but that is probrably just my OCD making me focus on tiny details
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He can correct me if I'm wrong, but his point was that all the God Tiers get their scaling rooted in the WSK, i.e. they're all linearly tied back to the WSK, meanwhile the PSK entirely transcends the WSK. So, the GT are all in the realm of the WSK (5-B to 5-A), meanwhile the PSK is in a tier of his own (universal). Insert the reiryoku speed arguments he made here.
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thanks , i am still iffy on this considering the gap , but the transcend everything + reio fragments amping iko to be around aizen level make the posssible rating fair
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I mean, he’s a possibly universal tier lol but your point still stands. And honestly, speed shouldn’t matter that much given Hisagi has the same speed rating as God Aizen minus the likely realistic part
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He'd be "possibly MFTL" too.
Difference is Aizen is massively above sub-rel, there's just no way to quantify by how much atm. Don't let the ratings deceive you, God Aizen and CFYOW Shuhei are certainly not the same speed.
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Apparemtly some fodder Soldat can do this by fighting the arranncar (Basically fragment Las noches). Would it be useful to calc this just for the purposes of figuring out how strong the Soldat is? Give. How sternritter can summon them, this may be useful for Vs battles.
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Gran Rey Cero
vsbattles.fandom.com
My GRC calc lists a fragment end for fragmenting all of LN, this looks more like fragmenting half of LN, which would net like ~5e20 joules, aka baseline High 6-C. Although pixel scaling the fraction fragmented might be a little less, but probably wouldn't dip below 6-C.
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Do we even have concrete proof that it was the soldat? It could had been Yhwach when he first came in and defeated Halibel? It could had been Quilge? Or any other Sternrriter? I’m not against it, is there more proof from the novels or manga to support this?
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Kisuke and Ichigo outright witness the building collapse and theres still smoke. Only ones who cpuld have done the destruction recently (as there is still smoke) is the Soldat.
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We don’t have motion on panel to see if they witness the collapse. They could be seen the aftermath. The smoke comes from the Quincy Blue flames who continue to burn things that can’t even burn like the sands of Hueco Mundo.
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We scale WSK > Senna iirc, so the first calc is a support?
