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It doesn't have to be linear hasch junior.The transcendental power is in reference to him being above anything in the original universe and thus able to divide and sustain it , also more reyroku does not mean a linear increase to all stats it is not 1:1 all the time
No we don't.Ichibe is the strongest guy of the original universe (apart from soul king )we know of and there are like a several current universe characters who would one-shot him
Transcends everything else is in relation to the original universe , also it is in reference to you needing power who transcends everything to dicide and act as a lichpin for the worlds , something even weakened soul king can doIt doesn't have to be linear hasch junior.
having transcendental power that's vastly over everyone and everything around you would still grant you higher speed then them.
regardless if it isn't a 1:1 ratio.
can't believe i have to explain this to you.
Until we meet other people from the original universe ichibei is the strongest we know of besides the soul king himself , and ichibei would indeed get one-shotted by several current universe characters like zaraki , emotion amped ginjo , aizen , ichigo ....No we don't.
that's complete headcanon and you couldn't prove that.
not that it even matters tbh.
you haven't proved that the original universe inhabitants are weaker than the current ones so it being tied to only the original universe doesn't matter (not that this even matters/even true).Transcends everything else is in relation to the original universe , also it is in reference to you needing power who transcends everything to dicide and act as a lichpin for the worlds , something even weakened soul king can do
That is beyond idiotic to assume something like that, especially given Ichibe's description about the power levels of the original 5 clan heads.Until we meet other people from the original universe ichibei is the strongest we know of besides the soul king himself , and ichibei would indeed get one-shotted by several current universe characters like zaraki , emotion amped ginjo , aizen , ichigo ....
...the fact that weakened soul king is considered the benchmark for current GT's
Is he not?
He is.
Aren't we scaling weakened reio to buttlerflyaizen and monster aizen above him ?He is.
read the verse page and read the actual series.
stop acting like hasch.
He's still the benchmark.Aren't we scaling weakened reio to buttlerflyaizen and monster aizen above him ?
You like ... ichigo is hundreds to thousands of times stronger than the weakened soul king that does not change anythingHe's still the benchmark.
google the word benchmark.
You like ... ichigo is hundreds to thousands of times stronger than the weakened soul king that does not change anything
Yeah what’s that gotta do with PSK?Aren't we scaling weakened reio to buttlerflyaizen and monster aizen above him ?
Yeah but before the upgrade we had Soul King at possibly FTL+ because he should be comparable to IchigoWhy ? I don't think there is anything implying he has the same speed as full power ichigo , besides fan hype
I just don't see how ichigo upscaling hundreds of times above a weakened soul king supports prime soul king being above ichigo , like that does not support prime soul king being neither weaker nor stronger than the soul kingYeah what’s that gotta do with PSK?
So Incredulity?I just don't see how ichigo upscaling hundreds of times above a weakened soul king supports prime soul king being above ichigo , like that does not support prime soul king being neither weaker nor stronger than the soul king
He’s the transcendent god of the verse, hence we scale him as such.I just don't see how ichigo upscaling hundreds of times above a weakened soul king supports prime soul king being above ichigo , like that does not support prime soul king being neither weaker nor stronger than the soul king
No like how the hell did you came to that conclusion ?So Incredulity?
No like how the hell did you came to that conclusion ?
Somebody upscaling massively above a weakened version of a character does not imply they are weaker than a full power version of the weaker character , period
This is incredulity by definition. “Not seeing” something isn’t an argument. If you can’t “see something” it means you find it absurd and or don’t believe it. That’s incredulity.I just don't see how ichigo upscaling hundreds of times above a weakened soul king supports prime soul king being above ichigo , like that does not support prime soul king being neither weaker nor stronger than the soul king
When i said don't see i was asking for an explanation because i did not see how ichigo being massively above weakened reio supported prime reio being above ichigo , and i did not get said explanationThis is incredulity by definition. “Not seeing” something isn’t an argument. If you can’t “see something” it means you find it absurd and or don’t believe it. That’s incredulity.
Point being, you didn’t present a counter.
I take this to be extraordinarily proprietary. When I said you were being incredulous, I assume you meant what’s standardly meant by the phrase “I’m not seeing it.” If you’re using some other definition than this is uninterestingWhen i said don't see i was asking for an explanation because i did not see how ichigo being massively above weakened reio supported prime reio being above ichigo , and i did not get said explanation
tbh after deceived arguments i am fine with a possible rating , i just want to know how the benchmark stuff supports anything , but that is probrably just my OCD making me focus on tiny detailsZero do you know what the argument Deceived presented was? Cuz you’re poorly misquoting it.
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but his point was that all the God Tiers get their scaling rooted in the WSK, i.e. they're all linearly tied back to the WSK, meanwhile the PSK entirely transcends the WSK. So, the GT are all in the realm of the WSK (5-B to 5-A), meanwhile the PSK is in a tier of his own (universal). Insert the reiryoku speed arguments he made here.i just want to know how the benchmark stuff supports anything
YesHe can correct me if I'm wrong, but his point was that all the God Tiers get their scaling rooted in the WSK, i.e. they're all linearly tied back to the WSK, meanwhile the PSK entirely transcends the WSK. So, the GT are all in the realm of the WSK (5-B to 5-A), meanwhile the PSK is in a tier of his own (universal). Insert the reiryoku speed arguments he made here.
thanks , i am still iffy on this considering the gap , but the transcend everything + reio fragments amping iko to be around aizen level make the posssible rating fair
I mean, he’s a possibly universal tier lol but your point still stands. And honestly, speed shouldn’t matter that much given Hisagi has the same speed rating as God Aizen minus the likely realistic partHe can correct me if I'm wrong, but his point was that all the God Tiers get their scaling rooted in the WSK, i.e. they're all linearly tied back to the WSK, meanwhile the PSK entirely transcends the WSK. So, the GT are all in the realm of the WSK (5-B to 5-A), meanwhile the PSK is in a tier of his own (universal). Insert the reiryoku speed arguments he made here.
He'd be "possibly MFTL" too.I mean, he’s a possibly universal tier lol but your point still stands.
Difference is Aizen is massively above sub-rel, there's just no way to quantify by how much atm. Don't let the ratings deceive you, God Aizen and CFYOW Shuhei are certainly not the same speed.And honestly, speed shouldn’t matter that much given Hisagi has the same speed rating as God Aizen minus the likely realistic part
Apparemtly some fodder Soldat can do this by fighting the arranncar (Basically fragment Las noches). Would it be useful to calc this just for the purposes of figuring out how strong the Soldat is? Give. How sternritter can summon them, this may be useful for Vs battles.
Apparemtly some fodder Soldat can do this by fighting the arranncar (Basically fragment Las noches). Would it be useful to calc this just for the purposes of figuring out how strong the Soldat is? Give. How sternritter can summon them, this may be useful for Vs battles.
Kisuke and Ichigo outright witness the building collapse and theres still smoke. Only ones who cpuld have done the destruction recently (as there is still smoke) is the Soldat.Do we even have concrete proof that it was the soldat? It could had been Yhwach when he first came in and defeated Halibel? It could had been Quilge? Or any other Sternrriter? I’m not against it, is there more proof from the novels or manga to support this?
We don’t have motion on panel to see if they witness the collapse. They could be seen the aftermath. The smoke comes from the Quincy Blue flames who continue to burn things that can’t even burn like the sands of Hueco Mundo.Kisuke and Ichigo outright witness the building collapse and theres still smoke. Only ones who cpuld have done the destruction recently (as there is still smoke) is the Soldat.
Lel."VSBW is called out by its wank"
uh huh...
We scale WSK > Senna iirc, so the first calc is a support?