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Lemme hear your take you've brought up interesting narrative takes before, I look forward to hearing your spin on the final battle.Now that I understand more about Bleach, I realize that Ichigo’s true bankai being broken instantly is incredible writing and a moment that truly pushes the themes of Bleach .
Will elaborate if needed
Well, I mean it ties into Yhwach’s major themes of fear and despair. Yhwach is despair, Ichigo is hope. Yhwach does directly go on a spiel about Despair after all. The whole narrative theme their dynamic pushes is that we should not despair at death, but rather gain the courage to face it.Lemme hear your take you've brought up interesting narrative takes before, I look forward to hearing your spin on the final battle.
Yeah they push the Bankai = ultimate win con/beacon of hope for the Shinigami throughout the war, and I think the most amount of Bankai are revealed this arc as well. Hell a major plot point revolved around the stealing and regaining of the Bankai.Ichigo getting his bankai broken is perfectly representative of Despair. A bankai in bleach is meant to turn a fight around and give the shinigami hope of victory. Seeing the bankai (a symbol of hope) get instantly shattered represents despair (no bankai=no hope).
Agree 100%, it was a nice way to tie up the plot threads from as far back as the Arrancar Arc, where Ichigo's refusal to rely on his friends was at its highest. I remember reading how people felt Ichigo's fight against Yhwach was a regression of his character, but I feel your interpretation here is far more likely. I always viewed that fight as displaying Ichigo's ability to now rely on others, we see that moments prior with him and Orihime teaming up (albeit the focus is much more on Orihime's development for their team up). Having Ichigo stumble in the pivotal moment of the final battle, only to have Ichigo be saved by the comrades he was previously unable to place his faith in, and then conquering despair is a nice way to wrap up Ichigo's character development. Both in the overcoming despair and his inability to rely on others regardless of the situation.Ichigo has always been a character surrounded by fear and despair. His savior complex arose from the hopelessness and despair he felt at his mothers death. Ichigo giving into, and eventually overcoming Despair is a nice development for him. I think Ichigo relying on his friends to motivate him is also a good deconstrution of his savior complex. He can finally rely on others to help him, instead of being the lone white knight facing despair alone.
I'd read itTheres also some symbolism with Heaven and Nirvana I can write about, but this is kinda lengthy.
I could also write about Yhwach being hypocritical, but eh.
Having not known much about Buddhist Nirvana prior, this recontextualization makes a lot of sense.Yhwach rid himself of his own attachments. Just prior to creating this “paradise” Yhwach kills his entire family, the Quincy/Sternritter. Everyone he claimed to love and care was killed by him, for just for this paradise. Hes horrifically cut himself from his attachments. This riddding of his attachments was necessary for his “Nirvana” goal, as it is IRL.
Yeah that fits extremely well with the themes pushed towards to the forefront of the series towards the end. Quite a well put together foil pair, Ichigo and Yhwach.As it relates to Ichigo, I think his friends ultimately helping him out of his despair ties into the critique of Nirvana. Whereas Yhwach rid himself of attachment, Ichigo accepted accepted his attachment. Ichigo’s attachment would hinder the attainment of Nirvana. Both of them were men surrounded by loss and death of others (Ichigo losing his mom, Yhwach being the miracle child who killed everyone who touched him), yet only one could accept being close to other people (Ichigo) and the other rejected his attachment (Yhwach).
Another cool detail I forgot. Nirvana is essentially liberating oneself from the cycle of rebirth and sufferingHaving not known much about Buddhist Nirvana prior, this recontextualization makes a lot of sense.
I wonderWhere does that apply to Yhwach
Kinda like a fusion of Nagato and Madara, the peace through war part for Nagato, and escaping the cycle of experiencing pain (death and hatred) part for Madara.Nagato and Yhwach sound very similar ngl
Kubo too intellectual for normiesNo clue why people say Yhwach’s main goal was retconned.
I agree. In fact, a lot of Aizen’s character is based in Nietzche’s work. An example would be the ubermensch.Bleach is closer to the representation of some thoughts of Friedrich Nietzsche, the entire work adopts Orphism and the acceptance of death as a solution to the chaotic world that is equivalent to paradise.
I think this is more Absurdist than anything. We accept the world as is, yet continue to walk Foward. A nihilist would say moving Foward is pointless, but the absurdist (Ichigo and the courage thing) would disagree. “Absurdism Vs Nihilism” is actually one of the major themes of Ulquiorra (Nihilist) and Ichigo (Absurdist) dynamicYhwach being the representation of Christ, the denial of the value of life and the search for a world without death or "paradise", is purely Nihilistic. In addition to having some ideas from Freud and other references.
How would his goal be retconned when Quincies were causing the unbalancing of the world since substitute shinigami arc ?
Knowing this Info kinda recontextualizes this scene. Yhwach always fought for peace and to end death and bloodshed. That’s what he says here after al. Since its stated Yhwach hates lies, we can assume Yhwach’s statement here is truthful.
We can assume he hated the conflict of TYBW, maybe explaining why he kept Tier alive. He used the blood war to end all death. Using war to bring the peace he loved, and end the conflict and death he hated, yet started.
Again, Kubo with the goat foreshadowing of Yhwach’s goal. His goal was kinda right there from his very first appearance.No clue why people say Yhwach’s main goal was retconned.
Thank you very much for that read. I quite enjoyed it.
it was removed? huh never noticedHello, Everyone I’m new here it’s nice to be here, anyway, what happened to spatial manipulation with grand rey cero? And Shouldn’t Ichigo have resist that?
SPitKubo>Shakespeare in poetry and writing
I actually think a lot of Mangaka are better writers than Shakepseare. He debatably didn’t even write the shit he’s known foe. Even that stuff is kinda mediocre compared to modern times. No one should actually think Macbeth or Romeo Juliet are comparable to shit like even the soul society arc or the war for Paradis. Yes, bleach’s worst arcs slap Romeo and juliet.SPit
I don't see it on his page or any espada page.it was removed? huh never noticed
I’d provide a comment of more substance but I haven’t indulged in Shakespeare since High School. So, instead I’ll just gas you up and say **** yeah brotherI actually think a lot of Mangaka are better writers than Shakepseare. He debatably didn’t even write the shit he’s known foe. Even that stuff is kinda mediocre compared to modern times. No one should actually think Macbeth or Romeo Juliet are comparable to shit like even the soul society arc or the war for Paradis. Yes, bleach’s worst arcs slap Romeo and juliet.
For example: Nagato on the cycle of hatred is a more thematic, impactful, and epic speech than any soliloquy Shakespeare had “wrote.”
Kubo while writing the deicide arc reached his peak at poetry>Shakespeare
For example: Nagato on the cycle of hatred is a more thematic, impactful, and epic speech than any soliloquy Shakespeare had “wrote.”
Yes, he would.If the MoN Calc goes through, wouldnt ichigo be scaled to Solar System with Grc+ bankai multipliers?
The same way we've been using MoN for WSK's scaling for quite a while now:But what is the way to link the MoN calc to AP ?
Rasegan shurinken destroys cells not soul particles.Hypothetical speaking If naruto and Ichigo stats were equal, would rasengan shuriken durability negation that destroy the cells defeat Ichigo, or would ichigo deconstructed resistance/ other resistance and or abilities counter that out of curiosity?