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just by virtue of the databook saying that 1 arm yamaji >>>>> other captains, already destroy the notion of the fullbring scaling
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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well damned Cockroach's blood
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Show me the statement where is stated to be one arm Yamamoto. Databook has info on Gin and he is dead. Is not like it has info on current Fullbring Arc. I'll sign out for tonight and reply tomorrow.
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Nope its from a databook, I will check it in the morning
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Bro Aizen tanked that attack with no major damage.
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So ridiculous to see people try to scale any character above even base Shinigami Aizen when CFYOW and now the new Hell arc pretty much proves that even Shinigami Aizen was basically the strongest character.
If any of these other characters had even simply reached Shinigami Aizen level, remember with how people are scaling including even characters like Renji, then that's 10+ characters. If 10+ characters were on Shinigami Aizen's level then Hell's Gate would have remained closed considering before only 2 people, Yhwach and Aizen, kept the gate locked with their mere existence and Reiatsu.
I do not refuse that these characters got stronger in terms of combat power but Shinigami Aizen Reiatsu is still considerably above everyone else.
If any of these other characters had even simply reached Shinigami Aizen level, remember with how people are scaling including even characters like Renji, then that's 10+ characters. If 10+ characters were on Shinigami Aizen's level then Hell's Gate would have remained closed considering before only 2 people, Yhwach and Aizen, kept the gate locked with their mere existence and Reiatsu.
I do not refuse that these characters got stronger in terms of combat power but Shinigami Aizen Reiatsu is still considerably above everyone else.
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I for sure really am getting increasingly aggravated with Apple at this point
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honestly apples evidence convinced me it is at least possible but im not 100% sure im mostly neutral so ill throw a few questions until i choose a side
1-how does tsukishima scale to ichigo? asking this becuase from what I see he is the reason that a contradiction exists since byakuya would scale above yama
(ignore the chad memory cause they are vague on how tsukishima won I dont think thats a valid argument)
2-even if tsukishima scales, couldnt yama have just trained with 1 arm to be above his previous self? (yhwach does say yopu have become weaker but imo its referring to his personality as the context was how he used to be ruthless, also yama at the start of the fight does imply he is stronger than what yhwach is expecting with his "you really think my bankai is the same as 1000 years ago")
3-as apple provided his own scans to support his claims can someone send the scans for why it contradicts too (the novels to be specific as I havent read them)?
1-how does tsukishima scale to ichigo? asking this becuase from what I see he is the reason that a contradiction exists since byakuya would scale above yama
(ignore the chad memory cause they are vague on how tsukishima won I dont think thats a valid argument)
2-even if tsukishima scales, couldnt yama have just trained with 1 arm to be above his previous self? (yhwach does say yopu have become weaker but imo its referring to his personality as the context was how he used to be ruthless, also yama at the start of the fight does imply he is stronger than what yhwach is expecting with his "you really think my bankai is the same as 1000 years ago")
3-as apple provided his own scans to support his claims can someone send the scans for why it contradicts too (the novels to be specific as I havent read them)?
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so you agree that Orihime is a incestuous girl that is in love with two men? Wait No, she pretty much forgets about Ichigo and just starts sucking off Tsukishima
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I'd love to see the raws, because Ichigo has directly scaling above everyone who came down from SS in the LAA combined, since Ichigo > dimension that couldn't be breaked by all the Captains.
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"Companions who can cross each other on equal footing too"
Byakuya has direct scaling above Renji anyhow (Byakuya shred through As Nodt like butter, Renji couldn't cut him) so this statement highkey sussy
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I can’t believe we’re back on this fullbringer debate
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I can't think of alot of examples rn, idk if jirobo cm2 statement is still accepted on this site as a flat 10x multiplier, considering jirobo like fodder tier itd be like a 10x boost to him. but if 2 eye rinnegan sage madara at the end of series was bit by orochimaru and he went cm2 hes not literally gonna be 10x stronger the amp would be miniscule to nothing at best. Anyone feel me?
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Rival has several definitions this likely not in regards to strength since renji and byakuya are their
This definition
"a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity."
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2 different series, so its irrelevant
the complain should be made bout the naruto verse itself
just cus 1 series butchers multipliers does not mean another completely separated series does too.
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Nice save.
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i don't know why your linking it back to bleach i said prior i dont have a problem with thr multiplier statement
tbf most authors dont really utilise said multipliers in general
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I always wondered if someone would use that Death Saves the Starwberry statement with Renji's statement to say Fullbring Arc > Aizen.
I just use it as evidence that Fullbring Shikai Ichigo > Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo.
I just use it as evidence that Fullbring Shikai Ichigo > Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo.
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What’s the statement from the novel if you don’t mind?
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It's just in reference to ichigo having his soul reaper powers in general or his old fkt power. Also when ichigo left the dangai his body went threw a time rest so all the training he did was reversed pretty much. So even when they gave him his power back it would only be his fkt power
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Even if Apple wants to Wank as much as possible he still forgets
Dangai Ichigo is not a measly Shinigami, while Fullbring Arc always mentions his strength as a Shinigami.
Dangai time reversal after the Final Getsuga where Ichigo has his powers for 1 month.
Once again, Apple has to completely disregard the series for his damned deepthroated narrative to make a miniscule amount of sense. Why would Ichigo want to be exactly as strong as Dangai when at that point he kills people just by being around them?
Imagine how ****** the entire Reishi Measures are now, what the **** is level 3 anyway, you mean level 20? Oh and speaking of which, reminder how God rammed stupid the measures for Bleach are in the first place considering they never leave Captain Level like it somehow still ******* works
Dangai Ichigo is not a measly Shinigami, while Fullbring Arc always mentions his strength as a Shinigami.
Dangai time reversal after the Final Getsuga where Ichigo has his powers for 1 month.
Once again, Apple has to completely disregard the series for his damned deepthroated narrative to make a miniscule amount of sense. Why would Ichigo want to be exactly as strong as Dangai when at that point he kills people just by being around them?
Imagine how ****** the entire Reishi Measures are now, what the **** is level 3 anyway, you mean level 20? Oh and speaking of which, reminder how God rammed stupid the measures for Bleach are in the first place considering they never leave Captain Level like it somehow still ******* works
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Now you're using the enemy tactics against your allies. Eww.
Dangai Ichigo and Pseudo Shinigami prior to TYBW were never really shinigami powers. Ichigo didn't had an Asauchi back then, so this is not relevant.
LMAO STOP LYING!
Show us. Stop claiming random ideas to downplay me because you can't actually debate me.
A. Ichigo never had the intention of becoming as strong as Dangai. He never wanted to get his powers back until he was pushed to get them to protect his family and friends once more.
B. Ichigo never killed anyone around him.
C. Aren't you on the same boat that End of Series Ichigo is stronger or around the same level as Dangai Ichigo? Why isn't Ichigo killing people in Karakura in the new canon Hell Chaper?
Are you okay? You tagged the wrong person for this little rant that amounts to nothing.
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That is the problem right there. People are bias and won't accept it. It doesn't matter how many proof there is. We will just have to wait for the Fullbringers to show up again and fight the new Hell Beast to upgrade them. I can wait. Very patient.
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Naw the issue with everyone power cliffing God Aizen is it fundamentally breaks the narrative. I'm sure you can finesse some type of argument for it nonetheless. However, sometimes you gotta delve past the ooga booga powerscaler mindset and examine how it fits within the context of the story.
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Context of the shounen rules have always be "new enemies = stronger" and the Fullbring arc and TYBW mention the power scaling above Dangai and Transcendent in the scans provided. This mostly comes down to "Fullbringers have bad backstory and their AOE didn't reflect their AP" or "Fullbringers don't have BIG BOOM like Ulquiorra so they weak" in the end it falls on the general public not understanding power scaling. How many people argue that Goku and Vegeta in SSB are barely planet level because they haven't destroy a planet? The new chapter had Vegeta's new form having to CHARGE a BIG attack to do a mere planet bust in the story. Sigh.
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Objectively false, not every Shounen cliffs itself each arc.
In the TYBW they talk about an Ichigo who has full access to every facet of his powers being stronger than his past selves, which is obvious, he finally has access to his true power. Not the same as LAA.
Irrelevant. You know I've made the same Ulq boom boom sarcastic remarks when talking to people who don't think Starrk > Ulq, so you know very well that I don't follow that mindset.
No one seriously argues this that I know of...
Ok?
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Provide evidence to contradict something universally known. What fighting shounen don't increase in power in each arc?
I'm glad you have finally give up on scaling Dangai Ichigo and Mugetsu to TYBW version of the characters.
Of course. This "reply" to me is irrelevant. Re-read what I posted about this please.
Exactly.
Re-read the other sentence above it.
