BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Adam1396]

It would be better if you provide scans of this issue

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You need to talk to Arc about this because I don't know much about calculations, but as far as I know the only thing we can scale to galaxy level is Range, and the wiki already lists Senjumaru and others scaling to it as Range, with Range at galaxy level

@Arc7Kuroi can you check reply no 40952

Yes Bankai Unohana >>>> Pre Training Zaraki, but kid Zaraki, I don't know if it scales to TYBW Zaraki, even if that happens how will Unohana scale to Kid Zaraki? She was literally wounded in the chest during the battle

comparable characters can wound each other lol, zaraki was not unscathed.
she didn't use bankai against kid zaraki.

This situation is outlier, so it is accepted as such on this wiki. For Gremmy, it is said in the novel that he created this structure (i.e. the space into which he threw Zaraki) but since it is an outlier, it does not scale to him (unfortunately).

with new squad zero feats, gremmy's feat should not be an outlier anymore.
And bankai yamamoto is stronger than both Gremmy, royd (70% of yhwach's power)

 

[Adam1396]

Didn't Kid Zaraki start his suppression grind because base Unohanna was too weak for him?

he lost when he did that

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

with new squad zero feats, gremmy's feat should not be an outlier anymore.

So there is a big difference between squad 0 and gremmy but frankly

If even 2 gremmys can create a 5-C level meteor, then maybe we can do something by confirming that the other clones are here, unless there is an insane jump in statistics, I don't know. In any case, this is quite boring

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Just hit up my message wall I’m not sifting through this thread

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Shigaraki should scale to orihime

Agreed
By the way, I think we can upgrade it to Outversal level since Aizen's expression of overcoming everything includes Root and Shiki.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

he lost when he did that

He was suppressing his power throughout the fight

 

[Adam1396]

Kid Zaraki is stated to be above Unohana which would include her bankai.

why should that include bankai? while there's not a single sign indicating she used bankai in whole fight. or even had it.
Unohana was shown to be using base form while that statement came out. She was already abnormally strong even among captain tiers and most skilled swordmaster. She would barely need bankai in fights.

Two explanations for this

• Zaraki started suppressing himself before Unohana went bankai

reasonable and he lost to base unohana because of this.

• Unohana used bankai offscreen

zaraki's wound doesn't say so

 

[Arcker123]

why should that include bankai? while there's not a single sign indicating she used bankai in whole fight. or even had it.
Unohana was shown to be using base form while that statement came out. She was already abnormally strong even among captain tiers and most skilled swordmaster. She would barely need bankai in fights.

Because her strength is irrelevant to whether or not she used Bankai in a given fight. Zaraki can be stronger than Bankai Unohana without Unohana using her Bankai due to her statement of him being > her strength.

 

[Adam1396]

So there is a big difference between squad 0 and gremmy but frankly

what I was saying , characters a little above or below gremmy are in reasonable tier. Even royd.
Gremmy is weaker than bankai yamamoto and we have seen thermal erruption destroying dimensions in a canon bleach movie. Unsealed SZ member would absolutely step on yamamoto.

If even 2 gremmys can create a 5-C level meteor, then maybe we can do something by confirming that the other clones are here, unless there is an insane jump in statistics, I don't know. In any case, this is quite boring

i'm sure multiplier for his clone was stated. 7 clone is 7 times stronger than base gremmy.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There’s actually 8 clones.

Also are you basing kid Zaraki ~ Shikai eyepatch Zaraki based around the fact that when he cuts the meteor they show kid Zaraki’s face

 

[Adam1396]

Because her strength is irrelevant to whether or not she used Bankai in a given fight. Zaraki can be stronger than Bankai Unohana without Unohana using her Bankai due to her statement of him being > her strength

there's no reason to just assume she included her bankai in that statement when she didn't even use it in whole fight.
bankai zaraki can be stronger than bankai unohana that's more like it.

 

[Hellscream]

She literally stated she was too weak for kid zaraki, which obviously includes her bankai as that's part of her strength.
And stated that she taught herself how to heal so she'd be able to give kenpachi a better fight the next time they fought.

After that fight, where kenpachi stomped her as soon as he unlocked his real potential he gained his shikai

so where are you getting that scaling from?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

What are these takes bro, Post Unohana Zaraki in base = Kid Zaraki > Bankai Unohana it’s not that hard

 

[Adam1396]

Also are you basing kid Zaraki ~ Shikai eyepatch Zaraki based around the fact that when he cuts the meteor they show kid Zaraki’s face

No. I'm genuinely asking if his shikai multiplier is greater than eyepatch removal.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No. I'm genuinely asking if his shikai multiplier is greater than eyepatch removal.

Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.

 

[Arcker123]

there's no reason to just assume she included her bankai in that statement when she didn't even use it in whole fight.
bankai zaraki can be stronger than bankai unohana that's more like it.

If her Bankai was stronger than Kenny, she wouldn't have said she was too weak for him, she wouldv'e just went Bankai

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.

 

[Adam1396]

She literally stated she was too weak for kid zaraki, which obviously includes her bankai as that's part of her strength.
And stated that she tauight herself how to heal so she'd be able to give kenpachi a better fight the next time they fought.

She said even she was weaker than him like others even though she could compete against zaraki.

After that fight, where kenpachi stomped her as soon as he unlocked his real potential he gained his shikai

Stomped worn out unohana who had to heal very lethal injuries of zaraki over hundreds, thousands times. It's not a stomp lol

so where are you getting that scaling from?

 

[Adam1396]

If her Bankai was stronger than Kenny, she wouldn't have said she was too weak for him, she wouldv'e just went Bankai

if her bankai is what makes her comparable to him, then why didn't she use it She was clearly competing but also getting pushed.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.

 

[Adam1396]

It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.

You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.

 

[noninho]

Heya
Calling out anyone interested to see if this is a stomp or not

let me try -> Former Shinigami x God-yet-to-be [0-0-0]

sooooooooooo i'd like to see this. we've seen GOW3 x last key is stompish, but what about Third Hogyoku Fusion Sosuke Aizen vs Demigod Kratos ? speed is equalized, fight is in... idk hueco mundo? Kratos has, for now GOWA equipment and magic, only

vsbattles.com

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.

You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).

 

[Arcker123]

if her bankai is what makes her comparable to him, then why didn't she use it She was clearly competing but also getting pushed.

She wasn't competing with base Kenny at all. She got a hole in her chest.

Her Bankai isn't comparable to Kid Zaraki, her strength is inferior to his. That's the point.

 

[Adam1396]

We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.

This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

make the crt shining cross but for bleach

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

There’s actually 8 clones

I wonder how big it would be if it formed 8 gremmy meteors

 

[Adam1396]

You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).

Not even a unohana fan. Just noticed this part of scaling is weird.

 

[Arcker123]

This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.

Her Bankai heals people so of course he doesn't have wounds, and that doesn't defeat his claim that it's unkowable whether or not she used Bankai, and thus isn't a defeater for her stating she is inferior to Zaraki.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Your inability to comprehend the numerous statements that refute your headcanon =/= it being weird

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

kid zaraki ~ base unohana

Nah, she’s weaker, and she states it herself.

Kid Zaraki ≈ No eyepatch Zaraki > Royd ≈ Shikai Yamamoto >~ Base Aizen > Unohana

 

[Adam1396]

Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.

what was for previous eyepatch?
I understand point about unohana scaling.

Lol no

Also brother, no we don’t need to go around wanking everyone just cuz Squad 0 got upgraded. Let’s allow cours 3 and 4 to come out and potentially give further consistency before we go hog wild like a fat kid in a candy shop.

Where is the wank about gremmy, yamamoto, SZ?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

what was for previous eyepatch?

Unquantifiable.

 

[Adam1396]

Unquantifiable

so quantifiable only for cfyow zaraki?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

so quantifiable only for cfyow zaraki?

Unquantifiable the entire series by our multiplier standards

 

[Crobatman44]

Unquantifiable.

Best case for TYBW is a keyword during the Gerard fight after he goes Shikai(Long shot and unlikely tbh).
That or Klub outside.

 

[LordTracer]

I hereby claim the title of the most sane Unohana stan, as the only one not trying to scale her to/above Yamamoto, Aizen or ShiKen.

 

[That_moron2]

make the crt shining cross but for bleach

Not his fault he's a free thinker and you aren't/s

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

 

[DaMonkeMan]

What is that pfp