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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

It would be better if you provide scans of this issue
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You need to talk to Arc about this because I don't know much about calculations, but as far as I know the only thing we can scale to galaxy level is Range, and the wiki already lists Senjumaru and others scaling to it as Range, with Range at galaxy level
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Yes Bankai Unohana >>>> Pre Training Zaraki, but kid Zaraki, I don't know if it scales to TYBW Zaraki, even if that happens how will Unohana scale to Kid Zaraki? She was literally wounded in the chest during the battle
comparable characters can wound each other lol, zaraki was not unscathed.
she didn't use bankai against kid zaraki.
This situation is outlier, so it is accepted as such on this wiki. For Gremmy, it is said in the novel that he created this structure (i.e. the space into which he threw Zaraki) but since it is an outlier, it does not scale to him (unfortunately).
with new squad zero feats, gremmy's feat should not be an outlier anymore.
And bankai yamamoto is stronger than both Gremmy, royd (70% of yhwach's power)
 
with new squad zero feats, gremmy's feat should not be an outlier anymore.
So there is a big difference between squad 0 and gremmy but frankly

If even 2 gremmys can create a 5-C level meteor, then maybe we can do something by confirming that the other clones are here, unless there is an insane jump in statistics, I don't know. In any case, this is quite boring
 
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Kid Zaraki is stated to be above Unohana which would include her bankai.
why should that include bankai? while there's not a single sign indicating she used bankai in whole fight. or even had it.
Unohana was shown to be using base form while that statement came out. She was already abnormally strong even among captain tiers and most skilled swordmaster. She would barely need bankai in fights.
Two explanations for this
  • Zaraki started suppressing himself before Unohana went bankai
reasonable and he lost to base unohana because of this.
  • Unohana used bankai offscreen
zaraki's wound doesn't say so
 
why should that include bankai? while there's not a single sign indicating she used bankai in whole fight. or even had it.
Unohana was shown to be using base form while that statement came out. She was already abnormally strong even among captain tiers and most skilled swordmaster. She would barely need bankai in fights.
Because her strength is irrelevant to whether or not she used Bankai in a given fight. Zaraki can be stronger than Bankai Unohana without Unohana using her Bankai due to her statement of him being > her strength.
 
So there is a big difference between squad 0 and gremmy but frankly
what I was saying , characters a little above or below gremmy are in reasonable tier. Even royd.
Gremmy is weaker than bankai yamamoto and we have seen thermal erruption destroying dimensions in a canon bleach movie. Unsealed SZ member would absolutely step on yamamoto.
If even 2 gremmys can create a 5-C level meteor, then maybe we can do something by confirming that the other clones are here, unless there is an insane jump in statistics, I don't know. In any case, this is quite boring
i'm sure multiplier for his clone was stated. 7 clone is 7 times stronger than base gremmy.
 
There’s actually 8 clones.

Also are you basing kid Zaraki ~ Shikai eyepatch Zaraki based around the fact that when he cuts the meteor they show kid Zaraki’s face 🗿
 
Because her strength is irrelevant to whether or not she used Bankai in a given fight. Zaraki can be stronger than Bankai Unohana without Unohana using her Bankai due to her statement of him being > her strength
there's no reason to just assume she included her bankai in that statement when she didn't even use it in whole fight.
bankai zaraki can be stronger than bankai unohana that's more like it.
 
She literally stated she was too weak for kid zaraki, which obviously includes her bankai as that's part of her strength.
And stated that she taught herself how to heal so she'd be able to give kenpachi a better fight the next time they fought.

After that fight, where kenpachi stomped her as soon as he unlocked his real potential he gained his shikai

so where are you getting that scaling from?
 
No. I'm genuinely asking if his shikai multiplier is greater than eyepatch removal.
Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.
 
there's no reason to just assume she included her bankai in that statement when she didn't even use it in whole fight.
bankai zaraki can be stronger than bankai unohana that's more like it.
If her Bankai was stronger than Kenny, she wouldn't have said she was too weak for him, she wouldv'e just went Bankai
 
It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.
 
She literally stated she was too weak for kid zaraki, which obviously includes her bankai as that's part of her strength.
And stated that she tauight herself how to heal so she'd be able to give kenpachi a better fight the next time they fought.
She said even she was weaker than him like others even though she could compete against zaraki.
After that fight, where kenpachi stomped her as soon as he unlocked his real potential he gained his shikai
Stomped worn out unohana who had to heal very lethal injuries of zaraki over hundreds, thousands times. It's not a stomp lol
so where are you getting that scaling from?
 
We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.
 
It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.
You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.
 
Heya
Calling out anyone interested to see if this is a stomp or not :)

 
You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.
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You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).
 
We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.
This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.
 
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You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).
Not even a unohana fan. Just noticed this part of scaling is weird.
 
This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.
Her Bankai heals people so of course he doesn't have wounds, and that doesn't defeat his claim that it's unkowable whether or not she used Bankai, and thus isn't a defeater for her stating she is inferior to Zaraki.
 
Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.
what was for previous eyepatch?
I understand point about unohana scaling.
Lol no

Also brother, no we don’t need to go around wanking everyone just cuz Squad 0 got upgraded. Let’s allow cours 3 and 4 to come out and potentially give further consistency before we go hog wild like a fat kid in a candy shop.
Where is the wank about gremmy, yamamoto, SZ?
 
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