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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

No. I'm genuinely asking if his shikai multiplier is greater than eyepatch removal.
Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.
 
there's no reason to just assume she included her bankai in that statement when she didn't even use it in whole fight.
bankai zaraki can be stronger than bankai unohana that's more like it.
If her Bankai was stronger than Kenny, she wouldn't have said she was too weak for him, she wouldv'e just went Bankai
 
It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.
 
She literally stated she was too weak for kid zaraki, which obviously includes her bankai as that's part of her strength.
And stated that she tauight herself how to heal so she'd be able to give kenpachi a better fight the next time they fought.
She said even she was weaker than him like others even though she could compete against zaraki.
After that fight, where kenpachi stomped her as soon as he unlocked his real potential he gained his shikai
Stomped worn out unohana who had to heal very lethal injuries of zaraki over hundreds, thousands times. It's not a stomp lol
so where are you getting that scaling from?
 
If her Bankai was stronger than Kenny, she wouldn't have said she was too weak for him, she wouldv'e just went Bankai
if her bankai is what makes her comparable to him, then why didn't she use it She was clearly competing but also getting pushed.
 
We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.
 
It’s almost like the entire point of training Zaraki in Muken was for him to remove his mental inhibitors and regain his original strength he had as a kid. And almost like when he did that he defeated Bankai Unohana. Simple logic telling us then that kid Zaraki is superior to Bankai Unohana. It doesn’t really get more clear cut.
You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.
 
Heya
Calling out anyone interested to see if this is a stomp or not :)

 
You are also ignoring that she didn't use bankai in previous battle even though she got a permanent scar. So there's no reason to assume the statement includes her bankai.
Using training fight to scale no eyepatch base zaraki above bankai unohana is just not ok. He defeated worn out unohana.
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You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).
 
We don’t see the entire kid Zaraki vs Unohana fight. So you cannot claim she didn’t use her Bankai. Secondly, Unohana knows how strong her Bankai is, so she doesn’t need to use her Bankai to know someone is stronger than it.
This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.
 
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You can make a crt about it if you’re so inclined, get it rejected there, cuz I don’t feel like entertaining Raven level Unohana mental gymnastics (sorry Raven but it’s true).
Not even a unohana fan. Just noticed this part of scaling is weird.
 
This whole bankai thing is assumption. The shown fight didn't have her bankai, when the fight ended zaraki didn't have any kind of injury that her bankai would cause.
Her Bankai heals people so of course he doesn't have wounds, and that doesn't defeat his claim that it's unkowable whether or not she used Bankai, and thus isn't a defeater for her stating she is inferior to Zaraki.
 
Rn his eyepatch is an unquantifiable amp/restriction. While his Shikai is a quantifiable amp of like 8x. So his Shikai multiplier is quantifiably greater, but that’s because we don’t have a quantification for his TYBW eyepatch.
what was for previous eyepatch?
I understand point about unohana scaling.
Lol no

Also brother, no we don’t need to go around wanking everyone just cuz Squad 0 got upgraded. Let’s allow cours 3 and 4 to come out and potentially give further consistency before we go hog wild like a fat kid in a candy shop.
Where is the wank about gremmy, yamamoto, SZ?
 
Stomped worn out unohana who had to heal very lethal injuries of zaraki over hundreds, thousands times. It's not a stomp lol
This is legit healing someone that many times from lethal wounds would take it's toll. She was willing to do whatever it took to get him back. Plus she could have been saying she was weaker than his base and like she said kid zaraki didn't give her time to cheap tricks which could include a bankai from his or her pov. She probably was surprised how a kid without shikai or bankai was superior to her is probably what she was referring to. We also don't even know if she has bankai back then. He's never seen it before that much is certain. Based on his reaction.

You can still be weaker than someone objectively, if I need bankai to beat someone who can't even do shikai or bankai that would also be considered "pathetic." Especially if he's young. Also if he could one shot her through her automatic healing bankai, he would have one shot her base as kid zaraki didn't hold back, back them
 
Raven, here's what happens

Zaraki shows up -> Unohana tries to block -> Kenny lol nopes that and gives her a scar -> Kenny admires Unohana's power and starts holding back.

At no point does Base Unohana do anything but get fodderized by full power kid Kenny.
 
It's true trying to one shot Bankai Unohana is >>> trying to one shot her base. You have to work through higher stats and her insta healing Bankai. She likely just meant she was weaker than him in the clashing which would extend to his Bankai if she knew he even had it or a theoretical if he did. You can argue who would win in Bankai based off how the fight without Bankai is going. Initially he didn't hold back on Unohana and he couldn't one shot her base and she was also smacking him around. Also we don't even know if he deactivated her Bankai it's entirely possible all she did was deactivate it to prevent further harm since she could tell he already surpassed her and felt he was ready. I mean what would happen if he got rid of all his shackles but was partially skeletal/melted? He would either look hideous or die from his wounds
 
Raven, here's what happens

Zaraki shows up -> Unohana tries to block -> Kenny lol nopes that and gives her a scar -> Kenny admires Unohana's power and starts holding back.

At no point does Base Unohana do anything but get fodderized by full power kid Kenny.
That's not a one shot. He couldn't even go completely through her body with his thrust like he did in modern fight
 
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