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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Wanted to wait for surefire translations but the TLDR is:
Ayon will eventually explode if he is not killed and the tres bestias arms will Regrow.
And the Byakuya stuff is Kubo agreeing that if Byakuya wanted to Kill shuhei during the PePe he could have.
Stuff we knew already. Hmm
 

Something tells me that this issue will be strongly rejected because it belongs to pre tybw.
 
bro dropped that here before I did, lol. The title is not clickbait, it's a really long blog
 
@Spectra_Schiffer @Arc7Kuroi
I have question about bleach cosmology and some scaling.
1. Are living world, SS, hueco mundo are accepted to be different timeline/large 4D objects here? then there is a hyperdimension connecting space times except HM
2. Is garganta accepted to be infinite?
if answer is yes to both, then why garganta doesn't scale to baseline 5D?
3. Garganta seem to qualify for 5D space. But why is it not accepted?

About scaling.
4. Why is senjumaru 4A not 2C. I see some major problem with that earthquake scaling which is follow up of a DB calc.
5. Why yamamoto,tybw zaraki is only 5B when bankai yamamoto is above gremmy and 70% of base yhwach. Bankai unohana should be up there with tybw base/shikai zaraki.

TIA
 
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@Spectra_Schiffer @Arc7Kuroi
I have question about bleach cosmology.
1. Are living world, SS, hueco mundo are accepted to be different timeline/large 4D objects here? then there is a hyperdimension connecting space times except HM
2. Is garganta accepted to be infinite?
if answer is yes to both, then why garganta doesn't scale to baseline 5D?
3. Garganta seem to qualify for 5D space. But why is it not accepted?

TIA
Why would that make Garganta 5D?
 
Why would that make Garganta 5D?
infinite 4D space+ temporal time dimension= baseline 5D.

I,ve seen space between universes is considered finite 5D space. So that should make garganta infinite 5D space.


let me throw another question. I wanna know this too.
Affecting infinite space is considered same level feat as infinite mass destruction. So what about infinite space destruction?
 
I,ve seen space between universes is considered finite 5D space. So that should make garganta infinite 5D space.


let me throw another question. I wanna know this too.
Affecting infinite space is considered same level feat as infinite mass destruction. So what about infinite space destruction?
Iirc for it to be 5D the distance between the two universes would have to be smaller than infinity.
 
1. Are living world, SS, hueco mundo are accepted to be different timeline/large 4D objects here? then there is a hyperdimension connecting space times except HM
First of all, as far as I know, no. Of these realms, only Garganta is considered as a l2c structure, the rest are only at the planet level.
2. Is garganta accepted to be infinite?
Secondly, again no. It is not an infinite structure because of the argument that the garganta expands infinitely. Arguments about infinity were made by unreliable characters such as Kon
if answer is yes to both, then why garganta doesn't scale to baseline 5D?
3. Garganta seem to qualify for 5D space. But why is it not accepted?
So unfortunately no.
4. Why is senjumaru 4A not 2C. I see some major problem with that earthquake scaling which is follow up of a DB calc.
First of all, the level we can claim here regarding Senjumaru is 3-A. Because it only affects space. But again, there is not enough evidence for 3-A. If you want to pay more attention to this issue, you can look at Arc's crt
5. Why yamamoto,tybw zaraki is only 5B when bankai yamamoto is above gremmy and 70% of base yhwach. Bankai unohana should be up there with tybw base/shikai zaraki.
Huh? The characters you mentioned are only at low planet/moon level. And as far as I know others scale to this as well. Only Unohana Pre Training is at Zaraki level, and this Zaraki is also at Multi Continent level.
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First of all, as far as I know, no. Of these realms, only Garganta is considered as a l2c structure, the rest are only at the planet level.
I don't get why they are not considered universe. A hyperdimension separating them alone should debunk planetary idea. I can bring many more reasons though. Also they can not physically travel between these worlds while can travel between dimensions in same universe such as SS, muken, reio palace being different dimensions in SS.
Secondly, again no. It is not an infinite structure because of the argument that the garganta expands infinitely. Arguments about infinity were made by unreliable characters such as Kon
wasn't that statement from aura michibane? there,s also diagram, infinite torrent of time statements which is consistent.
So unfortunately no.

First of all, the level we can claim here regarding Senjumaru is 3-A. Because it only affects space. But again, there is not enough evidence for 3-A. If you want to pay more attention to this issue, you can look at Arc's crt
I've seen this , also the DB scaling. How so? her reatsu was trespassing space times and shaking realms. A feat done by ignorable/tiniest of true power.
DB scaling was for one finite space time iirc, so this shouldn't be used in the first place.
Huh? The characters you mentioned are only at low planet/moon level. And as far as I know others scale to this as well. Only Unohana Pre Training is at Zaraki level, and this Zaraki is also at Multi Continent level.
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again, it was stated that both of them can compete each other base to base, fought base to base, though base zaraki is slightly stronger than base unohana. So kid zaraki doesn't scale to tybw base zaraki?
you are ignoring another point while zaraki was getting stronger, unohana had to revive zaraki many times. He basically beat worn out unohana, even that part is unclear if she died intentionally.

can you tell me why gremmy galaxy creation doesn't scale to his AP? or creation doesn't scale to AP
 
Okay brother, I will try to answer all your questions one by one
I don't get why they are not considered universe. A hyperdimension separating them alone should debunk planetary idea. I can bring many more reasons though. Also they can not physically travel between these worlds while can travel between dimensions in same universe such as SS, muken, reio palace being different dimensions in SS.
Other cours are awaited for all realms to be officially accepted as universe+ level. I agree with you on this issue, but unfortunately this is the case on the wiki.
wasn't that statement from aura michibane? there,s also diagram, infinite torrent of time statements which is consistent.
It would be better if you provide scans of this issue
I've seen this , also the DB scaling. How so? her reatsu was trespassing space times and shaking realms. A feat done by ignorable/tiniest of true power.
DB scaling was for one finite space time iirc, so this shouldn't be used in the first place.
You need to talk to Arc about this because I don't know much about calculations, but as far as I know the only thing we can scale to galaxy level is Range, and the wiki already lists Senjumaru and others scaling to it as Range, with Range at galaxy level
again, it was stated that both of them can compete each other base to base, fought base to base, though base zaraki is slightly stronger than base unohana. So kid zaraki doesn't scale to tybw base zaraki?
you are ignoring another point while zaraki was getting stronger, unohana had to revive zaraki many times. He basically beat worn out unohana, even that part is unclear if she died intentionally.
Yes Bankai Unohana >>>> Pre Training Zaraki, but kid Zaraki, I don't know if it scales to TYBW Zaraki, even if that happens how will Unohana scale to Kid Zaraki? She was literally wounded in the chest during the battle
can you tell me why gremmy galaxy creation doesn't scale to his AP? or creation doesn't scale to AP
This situation is outlier, so it is accepted as such on this wiki. For Gremmy, it is said in the novel that he created this structure (i.e. the space into which he threw Zaraki) but since it is an outlier, it does not scale to him (unfortunately).
 
It would be better if you provide scans of this issue
ok. check wall reply
You need to talk to Arc about this because I don't know much about calculations, but as far as I know the only thing we can scale to galaxy level is Range, and the wiki already lists Senjumaru and others scaling to it as Range, with Range at galaxy level
@Arc7Kuroi
Yes Bankai Unohana >>>> Pre Training Zaraki, but kid Zaraki, I don't know if it scales to TYBW Zaraki, even if that happens how will Unohana scale to Kid Zaraki? She was literally wounded in the chest during the battle
unohana clearly didn't use bankai during that battle. So she should scale higher with bankai multipliers.
Comparable characters can wound each other lol. It's not like zaraki was unscathed and it was stated their power were comparable.
Who scales higher. No eyepatch zaraki or shikai eyepatched zaraki?
This situation is outlier, so it is accepted as such on this wiki. For Gremmy, it is said in the novel that he created this structure (i.e. the space into which he threw Zaraki) but since it is an outlier, it does not scale to him (unfortunately).
with new squad zero feats this should not be outlier anymore.
 
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