Bakasta vs the stick swinger

[SatellaTheWoE]

done

 

[Worthless]

You are aware that you can’t generalize Anti Magic energy to all types of energy based attacks right? That’s an Association Fallacy.

Can you tell me the so special about anti magic that makes it so different than the rest of the energies? Because i won't understand that argument if you are not going to explain it

You are basically promoting NLF this way, and I am definitely not going to fight NLF with NLF with that statement.

Not really. In the end Reid still attacks via physical means and Asta can ignore it as shown when he cut Yrul (And I'm pretty sure he can also use this ability to counter Yosuga's ability to cut anything) but yeah the everything n anything statement is hella exaggerated

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I asked a Mod and he said he could agree that Anti Magic could be cut. Tho I personally think that’s just NLF. He also said Reid’s shit is hax not skill so there’s that.

So I’m moving on from this point.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So is the only way for Reid to counter attacks 20x faster than him is through skill?

 

[Zabazab]

This is the explanation in the text for why Reid cuts whatever he wants to cut:

Killing the very concept (概念) of sound and light, Reid’s flash cleaved space.

He would affirm. Should it be the stipulated sword or the chopsticks, regardless, come what may in that flash’s path, it would be slashed down.

For that was, the very manifestation of the [concept] (概念) of the 『Sword』.

The 『Sword』 was that which was brought forth for the purpose of slashing objects down.

And sword moves, was the term denoting the techniques for slashing objects down with that sword.

Henceforth, the flash which slashed down all objects in the world, was the culmination, and the long-cherished original desire, of the 『Sword』 and of the 『Sword Moves』.

Those slashed by it, would not forget the truth of having been slashed down for eternity.

Thus, the scar Julius Juukulius sustained beneath his left eye, shall not fade away for eternity.

That was the indemnification for having dodged the Sword Saint’s flash, from a distance near enough to graze past.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It’s just hax, and I already said a mod agreed it can cut an

Let’s move on from this.

It looks like the OP wants this match to be concluded. So is the starting distance still 3m? How is Reid dodging a Zetten slash from that distance. Skill still?

 

[VortechsTG]

It’s just hax, and I already said a mod agreed it can cut an

I just want to add that I agree with this anyway. He can do it because he's so skilled but the only way it's useful for skill scaling is by showing he's more skilled that someone who can't like Reinhard. Otherwise it's just hax.

It looks like the OP wants this match to be concluded. So is the starting distance still 3m? How is Reid dodging a Zetten slash from that distance. Skill still?

Still skill.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

And we have reached the end of our discussion.

I vote Asta via Zetten slash.

The slash is 20x faster than Reid can move and it can be a wide range attack spanning kilometers.

 

[Zabazab]

I vote Reid via huge skill gap + dura neg.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why you voting again?

Anyway, i gonna vote Inco for now.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You are aware that you can’t generalize Anti Magic energy to all types of energy based attacks right? That’s an Association Fallacy.

You are basically promoting NLF this way, and I am definitely not going to fight NLF with NLF with that statement.

Then what is the composition of anti-magic? If it's just another type of magic that isn't more difficult to interact with like concepts. Reid gonna cut them down without fail.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Then what is the composition of anti-magic? If it's just another type of magic that isn't more difficult to interact with like concepts. Reid gonna cut them down without fail.

Its not another type of magic, and a mod said it can cut it anyway so idc.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Its not another type of magic

Then what is it?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Then what is it?

just a mysterious energy that negates magic.

 

[Greatsage13th]

just a mysterious energy that negates magic.

Ceh

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Ceh

And a mod said it can be cut regardless of wether it exists in Re: Zero or not. So… I could escalate the situation but mendokusai, it ain’t even a wincon.

 

[Worthless]

Some says AM is a modified version of time magic lol (That theory of asta n liebe being the child of "Asta"roth the time devil, just because of his name)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Votes added, the rest of you should vote as well

 

[Worthless]

Voting Reid FRA.

I like that 130x argument and i don't give a **** if this site deemed feats like that as an outlier, their rules here has no power over Re Zero

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Voting Reid FRA.

I like that 130x argument and i don't give a **** if this site deemed feats like that as an outlier, their rules here has no power over Re Zero

Based

 

[VortechsTG]

I don't think you counted my vote yet. I still think Reid clearly takes this.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This is ridiculous ngl

 

[CloverDragon03]

Voting Reid FRA.

I like that 130x argument and i don't give a **** if this site deemed feats like that as an outlier, their rules here has no power over Re Zero

Hi, staff member here. This 130x argument is ridiculous. You don't just dodge stuff 130x faster than you via skill, that's quite literally impossible

 

[Arnoldstone18]

He says he doesn’t care, apparently.

 

[CloverDragon03]

He says he doesn’t care, apparently.

Well guess what. He operates on our site, so he has to care. No two ways about it

 

[Worthless]

You already know me I won't listen to you

 

[CloverDragon03]

You already know me I won't listen to you

Then your vote shouldn't be counted if you refuse to abide by on-site conclusions and rules

 

[VortechsTG]

I'm totally willing to scrap the matchup if that's what the mods want but my opinion doesn't change that impossible things just happen in fiction. That's what makes them fiction.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm totally willing to scrap the matchup if that's what the mods want but my opinion doesn't change that impossible things just happen in fiction. That's what makes them fiction.

We have a term for that. It's called Plot-Induced Stupidity

 

[Zabazab]

By wiki standards what should probably be taken from the feat is "Being able to deal with far physically superior opponents via skill", and not the literal 130x speed difference.

 

[Worthless]

Then your vote shouldn't be counted if you refuse to abide by on-site conclusions and rules

Pull the other mods and i might listen to them but not you... but still my opinion won't change specially if you consider the fact that this is a fiction

 

[Arnoldstone18]

By wiki standards what should probably be taken from the feat is "Being able to deal with far physically superior opponents via skill", and not the literal 130x speed difference.

And that has nothing to do with speed blitz and that was what was accepted in the crt. That’s how @Celestial_Pegasus saw it. And yet it’s being used here as evidence that Reid can overcome the speed gap. Ram was simply a slower character to an unknown degree using her skill to overcome the challenge. If those attacks could blitz her she would’ve been blitzed.

 

[VortechsTG]

We have a term for that. It's called Plot-Induced Stupidity

Then every case of time travel or characters moving faster than light is pis because it's impossible? Perhaps so but it doesn't change the fact they happen.

I am definitely in favor of scrapping that argument anyway as it's not like the 130x difference is explicitly pointed out by the text but from what I heard there are even more extreme examples on the wiki.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Then every case of time travel or characters moving faster than light is pis because it's impossible? Perhaps so but it doesn't change the fact they happen.

I am definitely in favor of scrapping that argument anyway as it's not like the 130x difference is explicitly pointed out by the text but from what I heard there are even more extreme examples on the wiki.

If you are scrapping the argument what basis is your vote on then? How is Reid overcoming a 20x attack speed difference?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Then every case of time travel or characters moving faster than light is pis because it's impossible? Perhaps so but it doesn't change the fact they happen.

Already debunked this but

I am definitely in favor of scrapping that argument anyway as it's not like the 130x difference is explicitly pointed out by the text but from what I heard there are even more extreme examples on the wiki.

if you gonna scrap this argument, i also not gonna say anything.

 

[VortechsTG]

If you are scrapping the argument what basis is your vote on then? How is Reid overcoming a 20x attack speed difference?

If we're scrapping the argument the entire matchup is a mismatch and none of the votes count.

 

[Zabazab]

If Asta supporters think this is a 20x speed blitz and Reid supporters think this is a skill/hax stomp, then we can all shake hands and agree this is a mismatch rather than going in circles.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So lemme get this straight you’re only willing to get this match going if Reid is winning but agree to mismatch if he’s losing

 

[Fezzih_007]

If Asta supporters think this is a 20x speed blitz and Reid supporters think this is a skill/hax stomp, then we can all shake hands and agree this is a mismatch rather than going in circles.

Pretty sure you the only one saying that this as a skill/hax stomp from Reid, but okay.

 

[VortechsTG]

So lemme get this straight you’re only willing to get this match going if Reid is winning but agree to mismatch if he’s losing

So you think that a 20x speed difference, while operating under the assumption that skill can do nothing to help with it, is not a mismatch?