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Both at their strongest
Moralls off and bloodlusted
Speed Equalized.
Who wins.
Both at their strongest
Moralls off and bloodlusted
Speed Equalized.
Who wins.
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Because Ichigo can one shot people on that level in a weakened state. Being able to oneshot people comparable to a Yottaton at your worst > Being 1.4 yottaton at your best.Rocker1189 said:So Ata being above base line as you said is unquantifiable, princess buff is given an actual number though, which is dozens of times above base line, using just 24 times makes him above 1.4 YT, then unquantiafiable buffs with giant Holder on top of that. I dont see him being any stronger than Ata at his strongest even with those stuff.
That says nothing, an author can have someone only be 2 times stronger and still 1 shot. Either way the best you got is them being comparable in AP. And he is unquantifably above 1.4 yt at his best.Hst master said:Because Ichigo can one shot people on that level in a weakened state. Being able to oneshot people comparable to a Yottaton at your worst > Being 1.4 yottaton at your best.
That's not the point.Rocker1189 said:Yeah and the 1 shotter is only unquantifiably above 1 yottaton and within 5-B the best he can be is 2 times stronger than a 1.4 yt. With Ata's regen and massive range advantage and neglible AP difference I give it to Ata.
No, I'm not. I pointed out even if he was 1.4 yottatons, Ichigo one shots people around that while not even at his best along with increasing his own stats in various ways. And b4 "Just because he can one shot 1 yottaton doesn't mean he can one shot 1.4 yottatons" because that's quite literally a minimal difference. Ata's Regen has a catch in which it's slower with higher damage he takes, and Ichigo has no regen (or more like he can't willingly use it) so Regenerationn Negation is useless. Also you do realize Ichigo can control the size of his Getsuga's right? Or did you forget he's repeatedly made ones capable of completely envolping people on multiple occasions. Ichigo doesn't have to permanently put down Ata. He simply has to cut him down to the point it'll take too long for him to regen back, with his AP advanatage, and Stamina to be able to fight for months he wins.Rocker1189 said:We no you are the one hand waving Ata's scaling Ata scales unquantifiably above 1.4 yt and then more on top of that with his armour. Very cool that Ichigo can 1 shot a 1 yt. But there is no way he would do that against Ata. This is about more than just Ap. Ata has the advantage of range by massive amount and his regen is more than enough to survive any of Ichigo's attacks especially since it is not like Ichigo did any more than cut a guy.
10/10 argument, but that's not the point, it's that Ata Regen Negation is useless. And like Naeblis said, Ichigo has scaled the size of Getsuga's and even just the pressure from his swings several times. And you assume this is something Ata can do and not exclusive to Ryu how or that he can even do something pike that before a point blank Getusga occurs how? Cool, that's still not dealing with someone who can one shot him and scatter him to pieces. And too bad Ichigo's AP Advantage would make Ata's Armour irrelevant via stat amps like Hollowfication and Zangetsu can further Ichigo's Dura via Blut Vene.Rocker1189 said:Ichigo's regen won't come into play because his regen sucks anyway. His getsuga tenshout can over come people, which is what samurai armour would prevent. And if he can use his gravity like ryu can it would just wash over him anyway. Ata got most of his body absorbed and regen most of it back in a few minutes. Enveloping his body won't be enough but regardless he won't be able to reach him with Ata's giant armour anyway.