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See, I was thinking the same thing. However, Asta has demonstrated feats of being able to negate magic without actually touching a person, and at a distance. These are not outliers either, from what it seems, since they have all been different types of non-localized status magic. For example, in the elves' invasion arc, the elf-possessed Gauche and Marie, whose elven names I forgot, they managed to completely paralyze Asta using a combination of Mirror Magic and Eye Magic. However, he was able to undo it because the Demon-Destroyer Sword began to emit anti-magic aura around him. which enveloped him and his comrades and negated their status of being paralyzed. At first, this looked like an asspull, but the first feat ever performed with this sword, which was when they were healing Father at the orphanage in Hage Village, was also via the sword emitting anti-magic aura. There are two other demonstrations of this, as well. When Asta was in the Magic Congress' court, he once again used the sword and had it emit aura to negate the Scale Magic, which is an AOE magic that affected everyone targeted in the room. And finally, just in the most recent chapter of the source material, Asta managed to do this to undo the gravitational magic that was affecting the entire battlefield, although he did this in his brand new demon form, and it looks like he was using the Demon-Slayer Sword instead. Regardless, there are certain types of magic that Asta can nullify by simply having his sword emit anti-magic aura and envelop the victims of it, and he can do it at a distance. If you want scans of the specific feats, I can provide them, just let me know.Epsilon R said:Asta just need to touch Noelle once and he wins, however, he doesn't have the range to negate Noelle, not with his passive Anti Magic, therefore, he needs to go cqc against her.
So, I assume this is a vote for Asta? OP counted it as a vote, but I just want to make sure you're not being misinterpreted.Milly Rocking Bandit said:Uhm... passive anti-magic, Precog, and accelerated development?
WowShiverPointGaming 101 said:Bump I vote noelle
Why are you surprised? It already was stated by Epsilon that Noelle could win this.ABoogieYesSir said:I'm suprised
We don't know that he should be able to negate it. While it does make sense from a hypothetical standpoint, we know there are types of magic affecting the body of the user that he has not been able to negate in the past, so without feats of equivalent scale, it's hard to simply say "Yes, he can." So it can't be considered a decisive factor.CaptainR1ch19 said:Asta probably has the better showings against the elves and against the elves and against Zagreb although whether it's enough to say he's considerably enough Noelle idk. You could probably say Noelle holds the advantage in speed which would make it quite difficult for Asta in a close quarters battle even with ki sensing and his black form. I would lean towards Asta given that he should be able to negate Valkyrie Dress but given that there's not lots splitting the two it's probably easier to say inconclusive.
Can you give me an example of when he has not been capable of negating magic affecting the body?MindControl116 said:We don't know that he should be able to negate it. While it does make sense from a hypothetical standpoint, we know there are types of magic affecting the body of the user that he has not been able to negate in the past, so without feats of equivalent scale, it's hard to simply say "Yes, he can." So it can't be considered a decisive factor.CaptainR1ch19 said:Asta probably has the better showings against the elves and against the elves and against Zagreb although whether it's enough to say he's considerably enough Noelle idk. You could probably say Noelle holds the advantage in speed which would make it quite difficult for Asta in a close quarters battle even with ki sensing and his black form. I would lean towards Asta given that he should be able to negate Valkyrie Dress but given that there's not lots splitting the two it's probably easier to say inconclusive.
He did Vetto himself said soMindControl116 said:Reinforcement magic, in the battle against Vetto.
Epsilon is right, Vetto said it himself. "Is it weakening the magic that bolsters my physical ability".MindControl116 said:It's not even really dispelling, its' just absorbing the magic. The magic itself is still active, it's just not as effective. All this tells me is that if Asta stabs Noelle with the Demon-Dweller Sword, which isn't a very likely scenario to start with, then her spell wouldn't become inactive, her magic would just get absorbed, so she would be weakened. Although, if she were to get stabbed, she just lose, because the sword is probably decently heavy (lighter than the Demon-Slayer, but still).
Thinking about it further, it may or may not be possible for the Demon-Destroyer to nullify it, but given the uncertainty, I can't really call that a winning condition. I don't accept arguments that are based on very uncertain assumptions.
But in this context if Asta is nullifying the reinforcement magic, then that means it's being weakened. Since it's something so basic I'm surprised you couldn't see it yourself. By having the Asta's sword stuck inside of him, the effects of the anti-magic negate the magic and hence weaken the reinforcement maigc that Vetto uses.MindControl116 said:Weakening =/= dispelling. I don't know why I'm constantly being forced to repeat myself on something so basic as that. I don't remember this wiki ever allowing for such oversimplifications as equating weakening a spell with dispelling it. Honestly, that's dishonest and infuriating on your part, and I don't think anyone should tolerate it.
And the animalistic hands disappearing doesn't actually prove the spell was dispelled. That's just speculation not really supported by canon.
The whole point is that you were trying to display a time where Asta had failed to negate bodily magic so I don't know why you're so hung up on the word dispell. Regardless of whether you want to phrase it as "dispell","weaken" or whatever, the point is that Asta was capable of negating the magic.MindControl116 said:No, I'm not. In the first place, the claim that Reinforcement Magic manifests itself exclusively as animalistic hands is false. That's why I said it doesn't prove anything. Distorting my words isn't a valid argument, Epsilon. Not the first time you've done this to me, either. And you're the one ignoring the fact that Vetto specifically used the word "weakening."
And I don't understand how "weakening = dispelling" is not dishonest. Looks like this wiki has loosened on its reinforcement of its own rules and standards by quite a lot in the last few months. Hmph.
Anyway, I already gave my vote. So, I'm unsubscribing from the thread to avoid notification explosions. And besides, it's no longer an interesting discussion. Farewell.