Asta (Black Clover) VS Tsunayoshi Sawada (KHR)

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It's driving me C R A Z Y
Because Idk if Tsuna has Oath Flames, if he has Vongola Gear, if he has access to Nats or not.

For this reason, I don´t have interest in this fight, I would even vote inconclusive because Tsuna reasons are good enought, we should :

Make another battle of Asta vs Tsuna

Or use Yuno, it would be more fun, Yuno has range for example

 

[Tired_Author_21]

For this reason, I don´t have interest in this fight, I would even vote inconclusive because Tsuna reasons are good enought, we should :

Make another battle of Asta vs Tsuna

Or use Yuno, it would be more fun, Yuno has range for example

I agree.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I agree.

I will ask you something in your wall btw

 

[Tired_Author_21]

For this reason, I don´t have interest in this fight, I would even vote inconclusive because Tsuna reasons are good enought, we should :

Make another battle of Asta vs Tsuna

Or use Yuno, it would be more fun, Yuno has range for example

If we make another Asta vs Tsuna fight we have to clarify things. Like:

Are energies equalized?

What equipment does each char have access to?

What's the distance between both?

Are there abilities allowed and not allowed?

What is the time limit if one exists?

 

[Tired_Author_21]

I will ask you something in your wall btw

How do I access my wall?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

How do I access my wall?

You should have recieved a notification

 

[Tired_Author_21]

You should have recieved a notification

Got it

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Ok, I Have 3 ideas

Luck vs Takeshi

Magna vs Ryohei (Seems stompish because Ryo only knows boxing)

Yuno vs Tsuna or Mukuro

I will go to eat, then return, goodbye

 

[Epsilon_R]

... legit not what is written. It states and I quote:

"Asta is able to clean the body, mind, and soul of evil and highly corrupted spirits" which means it does discriminate between good and evil.

No it doesn't mean they're evil, just that they are corrupted

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Ok, I Have 3 ideas

Luck vs Takeshi

Magna vs Ryohei (Seems stompish because Ryo only knows boxing)

Yuno vs Tsuna or Mukuro

I will go to eat, then return, goodbye

Luck vs Takeshi is interesting because of 2 possibilities rain flames can do:

Rain flames can slow down things, tranquilize them, so he can slow down Luck/his attacks or(out of character) Takeshi can slow down Luck's heart until it stops breathing and dies.

Magna vs Ryohei is probably a stump unless Ryohei has his belt (Absorbs damage and releases it in one shot)

Yuno vs Tsuna is gonna end up in a standstill like now because of Tsuna's Absorption ability and sealing capabilities (not to mention petrification). I think Mukuro is a better match up.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

No it doesn't mean they're evil, just that they are corrupted

I gtg eat, I'll come back later

 

[Epsilon_R]

Otherwise, Asta wouldn't be able to use his Black form while holding the sword. Unless its effect is active and not passive which opens a whole other can of worms.

False equivalence. Asta in his black form isn't corrupted whatsoever, he simply cloaks himself with Anti-Magic which gives him an amp. Even assuming he is, purifying himself wouldn't work due to the nature of the purification (Asta puts Anti-Magic into the target which purifies them). So purifying his black form, which is him already putting AM into himself, would be paradoxical

Also, it's not passive.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/black-clover-vs-katekyo-round-1-luck-vs-takeshi.136459/

https://vsbattles.com/threads/black-clover-vs-katekyo-round-2-yuno-vs-mukuro.136460/

https://vsbattles.com/threads/black-clover-vs-katekyo-round-3-raia-vs-byakuran.136461/

 

[Tired_Author_21]

False equivalence. Asta in his black form isn't corrupted whatsoever, he simply cloaks himself with Anti-Magic which gives him an amp. Even assuming he is, purifying himself wouldn't work due to the nature of the purification (Asta puts Anti-Magic into the target which purifies them). So purifying his black form, which is him already putting AM into himself, would be paradoxical

Also, it's not passive.

Thanks for the clarification. That means petrification is still in the picture though... this is actually worse for Asta because it means that he can be petrified if Asta isn't careful(I'm gonna just assume he's careful though).

This however still doesn't help him against ZPB ice unfortunately.

 

[M_Animefan]

The irony of you changing keys mid fight and ignoring that nothing stopped Asta from one shotting in the first place



Hyper Intuition: Allows the user to predict upcoming dangers

Using external sources: This skill is able to make its user be able to read the lightest and minimum movements made by the human muscles, allowing them to predict enemy movements, giving them a big advantage in battle

Kiato dancing did not let Asta react to anything, his dancing made his moves unpredictable and Ki can be use to predict the movement of others, his attacks and his intentions

So I don´t know but Is pretty clear that Asta just negates his Hyper intuition and has right now a 4.5 AP difference, also I don´t know if we are using first Black Asta form that is incredible useless for being his first time in that form and has 0 control of it and just go to the most powerfull mana source or Base Asta from the royal arc exam

The arguments of Asta being Freeze when has more LS, AP and can react to it are moot

The heat argument from the past is good, but where is heat resistance in all the Katekyo pages? Because people are not melted by Tsuna flames (for what I can remember)

I didn’t change keys mid fight? What nonsense?!

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I didn’t change keys mid fight? What nonsense?!

Lies, all lies!

 

[Nierre]

Hitman Reborn fans are based

 

[Tired_Author_21]

We put this at inconclusive then right?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

We put this at inconclusive then right?

Because I lost interested, I accept the outcome

Asta has a huge ap Advantage and Tsuna methods of winning despite that, whatever happens first gives the win

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Because I lost interested, I accept the outcome

Asta has a huge ap Advantage and Tsuna methods of winning despite that, whatever happens first gives the win

That's a shame.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

That's a shame.

Imagine debating something and 3 months pass and the debate starts again

Like, I don´t want to talk about this, I have others things to do, I live in the present, not in the past

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Imagine debating something and 3 months pass and the debate starts again

Like, I don´t want to talk about this, I have others things to do, I live in the present, not in the past

Ok.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

What do we do to close this? Do we ask a mod or something?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What do we do to close this? Do we ask a mod or something?

Or let it be open if you want

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Ok

 

[XDragnoir]

Hmm I have two things to say:

1-Are DWF and Mana similar enough to be equalized? I am really not sure as i would say Ki is closer to DWFs than Mana given Mana is a natural thing people get at birth while Ki is what living beings have. For real, sometimes it seems people don't know how verse equalization works.

2-Asta's causality reversion thing wouldn't save him from ZPB, much less petrification (tho this one is pretty much OOC), as he would be unable to use them once he is frozen/petrified.

Also, in case anyone still has any doubts, this is Elf Invasion Asta and Ultimate DW Tsuna.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Hmm I have two things to say:

1-Are DWF and Mana similar enough to be equalized? I am really not sure as i would say Ki is closer to DWFs than Mana given Mana is a natural thing people get at birth while Ki is what living beings have. For real, sometimes it seems people don't know how verse equalization works.

1- I didn't, thanks for clarifying.

Edit: I read that without my glasses and thought you were going for Asta's Causality argument, my bad.

Also, what is OOC?

Also also, does this Ultimate Dying Will Tsuna have Gravity Manipulation?

Because that increases some of the stuff he can do he like condensing attacks, making them pierce through enemies instead of only burning, etc

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Tsuna not only reacts, but counters Bermuda's short warp which is instantaneous

Multiple times at that.


Edit: This is a close up so arguments saying things like: "It doesn't look like he's hitting Bermuda" pop up:

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Before anyone states that Tsuna doesn't have his gloves or any weapons, that is because he chose to remove them himself against Bermuda.

Just in case that argument is made

 

[M_Animefan]

Lies, all lies!

dude you are so lost.

 

[XDragnoir]

Also, what is OOC?

Out of Character.

As for gravity manipulation, i am not sure myself.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Out of Character.

As for gravity manipulation, i am not sure myself.

Cannonically he needs the Simon ring to use it, so it'd guess it has to be mentioned

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Can I add some more feats of HI?

Like how it can just tell Tsuna that Mukuro is about to Possess Chrome without any telling factors, not even Viper sensed this was going on, and he's a strong psychic -- he didn't have his mammon chains on which means he was at almost full capacity.

Scan here

 

[XDragnoir]

Well, since the OP didn't change their keys to make this a fair match i will just call this an AP stomp for Asta and that's it.

I will probably redo it later with more fair keys abd rules for both sides.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

In my opinion is more of an inconclusive.

Tsuna has 7 layer petrification he can use from a far and Zpb.

Tsuna has the range advantage as well and a surperior pre-cognition hax.

Asta has the AP advantage but Tsuna has all advantages appart from that: hax and range.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Bump?

Am I using this right?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Bump?

Am I using this right?

Always wait 24 hours

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Always wait 24 hours

Can it be more?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Can it be more?

Of course, but if you wait 2 months it becomes a Necro thread

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Of course, but if you wait 2 months it becomes a Necro thread

I see.
What's a Necro thread?