Asriel vs Cronus.

[PaChi2]

Speed equal.

SBA.

full power asriel.

Go.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Saitama win via reason above.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

..Cronus via mid godly regen existence erasure mind control etc

 

[Tenebricite]

Asriel wins with high difficulty via SAVE and LOAD.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Which can bypass mid godly Regenerationn and type 8 immortality how?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Not sure why SAVE and LOAD will work against an Acausal who can destroy all timelines.

And he is far more haxed than Asriel. Cronus' Megas Drepanon can slice your body, soul, and your "time". Basically it's erasure from space-time itself.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Pretty easy win for Cronus. Asriel can't do anything to Mid-Godly and can't do anything against Conceptual Manip.

I'm not sure to what extent we allow LOAD to be used after death though, so maybe Asriel could pull out an inconc. if Cronus can't fight it

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also Cronus just needs to mind control Asriel to win

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Cronus doesn't really need much difficulty to throw his spear or whatever Pragma Spathe is, and SAVE/LOAD ain't helping him there.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Asriel has faced an opponent with Mid-Godly Rege, wasn't able to kill them either.

 

[SomebodyData]

Asriel via SAVE and LOAD?

I wonder if anyone ever realized how ineffective a timeline resetting ability is in a battle between guys who bust infinite timelines.

Not to mention Cronus is resist to such time manipulation.

Given this, and that Cronus has incredible regen, mind control, and existence erasure, I got to go for him. 9.999 /10 of the times.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Cronus throws his scythe.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Only advantage asriel has is power nullification which he only ever used on a 2-B

 

[PaChi2]

Is Power Null of any use?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Doesn't Cronus just shut down Asriel's mind just by being there?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Homu BFR- oh shit, wrong thread :V

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Is Power Null of any use?

He only ever used it on a 2-B

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Can we stop this idea that busting timelines can counter SAVE & LOAD for the Tier 2 characters? The idea of a SAVE being a timeline comes from how it works for 3-D characters. It certainly isn't going to be a regular 4-D timeline if it works for Immeasurable beings.

 

[SomebodyData]

The only advantage you can possibly argue is that FP Asriel is a higher 2-A.

But even then not enough.

 

[PaChi2]

He only ever used it on a 2-B

Hax is not defined by AP afaik.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yes. But he's never power nulled another 2-A

 

[PaChi2]

Asriel has faced an opponent with Mid-Godly Rege, wasn't able to kill them either.

Frisk didnt regenerate, tho. Asriel was not capable of destroying him to begin with.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Cronus also has Abstract Existence, which I don't think Goat God can bypass.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Saik so then what is it?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Frisk didnt regenerate, tho. Asriel was not capable of destroying him to begin with.

Then where does Mid-Godly Frisk come from?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Should this even get added? It's a massive haxstomp in Cronus favor.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Frisk is Immeasurable, has Time Manipulation and TPI, yet it worked on them.

@SD Time Manipulation on a higher dimensional scale. Much like Time Manipulation working on an Immeasurable being

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Frisk is also 2-B

Frisk is literally infinitely weaker than Cronus is.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's literally just AP. It doesn't matter for the sake of SAVE & LOAD

 

[SomebodyData]

Well I can't really argue that, though would it be enough to survive concept manip and existence erasure?

Or soul draining? Thus making him Flowey again?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...

Asriel power nulled someone infinitely weaker than him.

...

Cronus easily stomps

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's where I'm not sure. Soul Stealing would work maybe, though it won't be an instant kill.

 

[DodoNova2]

pretty sure Chronos easily wins, abstract nature, Godly regen, and haxless wall

 

[Tenebricite]

Should this even get added? It's a massive haxstomp in Cronus favor.

It's honestly not. Although Cronus has a lot of useful abilities, Asriel has some things that will give Cronus a hard time at the very least. Also, I don't think it's 100% accurate to say that Power Null won't do anything at all to other 2-As, especially since we haven't seen Asriel take on another 2-A and use Power Null canonically.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's where I'm not sure. Soul Stealing would work maybe, though it won't be an instant kill.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Time Manipulation

 

[PaChi2]

Angel of Death: A technique which automatically occurs upon Asriel using his true power. His opponent becomes unable to move, attack, use items, or do anything except struggle, losing all power and ability to fight back as Asriel tears them apart without any chance of resistance.

can cronus no-sell this? Honest question.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's only been shown effective on a 2-B never on another 2-A

 

[SomebodyData]

@Zach saik was talking about Cronus' soul drain

 

[Kaltias]

Doesn't Flowey use SAVE and LOAD even while the timeline is absent?

Cronus should still be able to kill Asriel to a level where he can't resurrect though

 

[KinkiestSins]

To put this simply, if Asriel can nullify Cronus powers, at best inconclusive since they cant kill eachother. Otherwise, cronus wins with better resistances, immortality, hax and regen.