Asriel Dreemurr vs. Post-Retcon Beyonder

[The_Wright_Way]

Both at peak.


vs.

 

[SITHISIT]

put post retcon on the title

 

[The_Wright_Way]

put post retcon on the title

Fixed it.

 

[SITHISIT]

Good.

Now... I don't know much about post retcon... however they seem to both have equal hax in some areas.... inconclusive unless someone gives more reasoning that I can't find

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Well Beyonder is Non-Corporeal and stronger...

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Well Beyonder is Non-Corporeal and stronger...

Both are at least 2-A so I don't see how Beyonder is stronger and Non-Corporeal isn't going to help against soul manipulation.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Beyonder can destroy multiples infinities multiverses

While we only know Full Power Asriel > Baseline 2-A

 

[Schnee_One]

Both are at least 2-A so I don't see how Beyonder is stronger.

You sir, have never heard of the YHVH

 

[The_Wright_Way]

You sir, have never heard of the YHVH

Sure I've heard of him but this isn't SMT. I was under the impression that Marvel 2-A were only baseline or slightly above. Clearly I was wrong.

 

[SITHISIT]

Beyonder can destroy multiples infinities multiverses

While we only know Full Power Asriel > Baseline 2-A

The difference between infinitesimal fraction Asriel and full power Asriel is like the stars and the earth. Full power Asriel is WAY beyond baseline 2-A

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Infinitesimal fraction?

Proof?

We only know small fraction of his full power = 2-A while Beyonder can easily destroy multiples infinites multiverses

 

[SITHISIT]

****** up on that part, sorry.

Still an extreme amount higher

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Which likely would make them comparable in AP.

 

[Richi0309]

does power nullification work on beyonder?

if yes asriel

 

[Anonimoe7875]

We've only see it working on someone weaker than him...

 

[QuasarX]

Asriel. Max power can destroy infinite OMNIVERSES and infinity itself via hyper goner and gamma

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Huge necro

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Asriel. Max power can destroy infinite OMNIVERSES and infinity itself via hyper goner and gamma

Also not true hahaha

 

[QuasarX]

why. Asriel is an omnipotent being. The tiering system is actually wrong

here is why. If asriel was tier 2 and beyonder was tier 1. Why can asriel eradicate infinity but beyonder can't.

2. Asriel can manipulate time.

3. The beyonder can't do that.

4. He has no determination.

5. the beyonder is not omnipotent

6. Asriel is omnipotent

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>"Beyonder cant manipulate time"

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Invulnerability, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regenerationn, Large Size (Type 9), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Non-Corporeal, True Flight, Teleportation, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Quantum Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, several others

Excuse me?

 

[KarmodF]

why. Asriel is an omnipotent being. The tiering system is actually wrong

I dont think you know how omnipotency works, let alone the tiering system.

You can check information for both of them here and here.

 

[QuasarX]

asriel= omniverse

beyonder = hyperverse.

omniverse>hyperverse. And for those of you would say something like. oh asriel is multiverse.

No asriel is beyond multiverse. omniverse=infinity. making asriel tier 0 or 1. Asriel can easily destroy the universe and hyperverse. I did research of beyonder and i play undertale. The multiverse = omniverse. actually which makes no sense, but that prooves my point. That gamma ray is inescapeble making it infinity itself infinity=multiverse=omniverse>hyperverse

 

[KarmodF]

Again, I think asking some staff members on how the tiering system, omniverse and omnipotence work here would be better than posting this exaggerated claims.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Asriel is not even higher-dimensional, let alone outerversal

Do you have any proof that he is tier 1?

 

[QuasarX]

The beyonder can't move during asriel's forms. According to the wiki the beyonder is nigh omnipotent. which means almost omnipotent AT MAX. Asriel's name can tell which scale in tier he is. Hyperdeath. keyword hyper. meaning he is beyond death. beyond death= hyperverse scale.

and then we have the word hyper. so it means hyper hyperdeath. so beyond hyperverse.

so he is omniverse level. and omnipotent which means god. what happens when a character that is almost omnipotent but not totally, and tries to fight the absolute god of hyperdeath. He dies

 

[KarmodF]

Thats not how it works my dude.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If he was truly omnipotent, he would have killed Frisk whenever he wanted, but he couldn't

 

[Christian_Higdon]

This is pretty much a troll, guys.

 

[KarmodF]

Hopefully.

 

[QuasarX]

asriel = greater than or equal to toaa>beyonder.

the hyper goner allows him to destroy the multiverse. and he can easily multiply that by 500

and has not even reached his final form. and yet he still has 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% power left. 1 human soul = universe

2= multiverse. 3 = megaverse. 4=tetraverse. 5-6 = hyperverse

7 human souls = infinity/omniverse = omnipotent. he is literally GOD. So don't even try to say these are compareable.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yeah, its a troll

 

[QuasarX]

Asriel is not even higher-dimensional, let alone outerversal
Do you have any proof that he is tier 1?

Have you played the game and read the wiki?

 

[QuasarX]

If he was truly omnipotent, he would have killed Frisk whenever he wanted, but he couldn't

that was because frisk has determination. and btw he killed me 10 times during a route

 

[Christian_Higdon]

I've looked over Asriel's fight and there's no proof he's above 2-B.

 

[QuasarX]

now i don't want to start a heated debate. This is just facts. no hard feelings

 

[KarmodF]

I've looked over Asriel's fight and there's no proof he's above 2-B.

Better If you bring that up in a CRT rather than dropping it here.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If he was truly omnipotent, he would have killed Frisk whenever he wanted, but he couldn't

that was because frisk has determination. and btw he killed me 10 times during a route

So? For an omnipotent being, determination would be nothing, but Asriel couldnt do shit about it, thus he is not omnipotent

 

[Christian_Higdon]

>facts

Where's that clip of Aku laughing?

 

[QuasarX]

>"Beyonder cant manipulate time"
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Invulnerability, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regenerationn, Large Size (Type 9), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Non-Corporeal, True Flight, Teleportation, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Quantum Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, several others

Excuse me?

whoops i missed that

 

[KarmodF]

If 7 souls is already omnipotence I wonder what 8 can do.