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If for example this one character is tier 1-A, is he completely immune towards time? Meaning that when other people run out of time, he won't care because he's above the concept?
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Are 1-A tier characters limited by time?
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Well I don't know what you mean by "when other people run out of time", but yeah, the requirement for being 1-A is to be above the Platonic Concept of time, as well as space. Meaning anything time related, you're immune to.
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Thanks, so if some character that is listed as 1-A could for example run out of time (like having to do something in a certain amount of time) he wouldn't be 1-A, right?Ogbunabali said:
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Probably, but I don't really understand what you mean by that. Can you give a more specific example?
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Well yes, that's why I started this thread.Eganergo said:
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Lucifer only experience time when hes in Creation. You have to understand that Creation bounds you to rules and laws. An example of this was the Jin En Moks, who are gods from the Void who are completely unstuck by space and time got stuck in Creation then bounded to space and time.
Lucifer is completely beyond that when he was in the Void. Not only that when Elaine was creating her Creation, she first needed to push back the Void and fill it with space/time etc. Lucifer probably did the same when he made his Creation.
Lucifer is completely beyond that when he was in the Void. Not only that when Elaine was creating her Creation, she first needed to push back the Void and fill it with space/time etc. Lucifer probably did the same when he made his Creation.
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How can you get bound by time when you're supposed to be above the very concept of it? Pretty much everything is outside of time when it's in the Void. According to what you say, the supreme being of DC would also be affected by time and space even though he's supposed to be above that concept.Sandman31 said:
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Lucifer has more than enough evidence to put him at 1-A.
99% of the time when characters that are beyond time but act like there is some form of causality going on is because they feel like it. A good example for this is the Daedra in TES, they are completely above the concept of time and the only reason they appear to be "linear" is just because.
99% of the time when characters that are beyond time but act like there is some form of causality going on is because they feel like it. A good example for this is the Daedra in TES, they are completely above the concept of time and the only reason they appear to be "linear" is just because.
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Even in voids, characters can generally still move around, meaning space should exist, and take actions one after the other in a chronological order, meaning time should exist. Doesn't make sense, really.
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Well I don't have a problem with that, since the Void is pretty much outside of everything which would probably include logic as well.InfiniteSped said:
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So, it doesn't have space-time, but it actually has, but it's okay because it doesn't have logic.
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No, being above the platonic concept of time isn't a requirement for 1-A since platonic concepts are considered 1-A themselvesOgbunabali said:
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Well I mean you're right, logically it doesn't make sense, but when it comes to the Void you have to throw out logic as pretty much everything is drawn on it by the supreme being aka the Writer.InfiniteSped said:
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Because Creations are the expression of its Creators will, which is the Presence. Thats why you need permission from its Creator to escape it. Even Elaine cant escape her Creation when shes not yet used to her powers. I know what instance youre referring to, which is the one where Lucifer went to his creation.
Where it said that the gradient of time (time of his Creation) is against him. Which then follows that he made time itself from the raw materials of the Void.
Lucifer was still in the Creation of the Presence at that time. Which means hes stuck still bound to its rules and laws. Due to how Lucifer created time in his Creation, a heartbeat in the Presences creation means a long time in Lucifers Creation. Lucifer being bound by the Presence Creation doesnt mean hes not 1-A due to how Creations works in Vertigo, it simply means he's still subjected to the Presence's will.
>retty much everything is outside of time when it's in the Void.
True. But the demiurgic angels have shown thay only they, and maybe the Presence, can create in the Void because you need push back against the emptiness of the Void and fill it with whatever you want.
Where it said that the gradient of time (time of his Creation) is against him. Which then follows that he made time itself from the raw materials of the Void.
Lucifer was still in the Creation of the Presence at that time. Which means hes stuck still bound to its rules and laws. Due to how Lucifer created time in his Creation, a heartbeat in the Presences creation means a long time in Lucifers Creation. Lucifer being bound by the Presence Creation doesnt mean hes not 1-A due to how Creations works in Vertigo, it simply means he's still subjected to the Presence's will.
>retty much everything is outside of time when it's in the Void.
True. But the demiurgic angels have shown thay only they, and maybe the Presence, can create in the Void because you need push back against the emptiness of the Void and fill it with whatever you want.
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They are not the only ones that can create though, the supreme being of DC has also created within the Void. And not only that, but Perpetua did something similar.Sandman31 said:
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You can`t have characters in fiction being above the concept of time (except maybe those tier 0 that never appear) because narratives work in a chronological order, this is very true guys, and it seems like a contradiction.
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Shinza Banshou works with this tho.ShrektheHandsomeOgre said:
There is nothing in the singularly from were all concepts begin, not even time and can barely be called a "place". The gods give birth to every law and concept in their world and stuff
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Indeed, but then we see those Hadou Gods interacting in chronological orders, which goes back to my point.Tony di bugalu said:
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Because you can't have a story otherwise, pure logic
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