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Look at the powers of the Akashic Records, D pretty much resists all of that at 5-D.
Including power mimicry, funny enough. So good luck Arceus, lol.
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Arceus (Pokémon) Vs D (Vampire Hunter D)
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Including power mimicry, funny enough. So good luck Arceus, lol.
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His durability says universe level. Reading the page, i dont see any immunity here. Yes you cannot affect D from the records, but he can still be affected by any other means outside using the records. Which is why non 5D characters can still affect him regardless. Im going off what im seeing on his profilr, so you could correct me if im missing spme info
I'm finding it a bit difficult making sense of how things work in D Hunter verse, so sorry for any misunderstanding from my end
I'm finding it a bit difficult making sense of how things work in D Hunter verse, so sorry for any misunderstanding from my end
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This is because both Gilzen and D were constantly evolving instantly against the other.
Also, I'm not talking about AP. AP is irrelevant. D has the skill feats to fight multiples of himself (assuming Arceus can bypass the resistance to mimicry), and also against opponents capable of evolving instantly (Gilzen), bypassing their resistances and one shotting through dura neg (cutting the fount of life or the miracle blood light he used against Gilzen).
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Unfortunately, the wiki accepts it as general resistance. He resists these powers at 5-D level (and can even evolve further his resistances, because this verse is bs like that, lol), Arceus cannot affect him as he lacks layers, while D can, funny enough, neg his resistances on top of his passives (like the aura affecting Arceus' concept through the fount of life).
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But......But Arceus does not have a fountain of life, neither is he tied to the D cosmology.**
Why would Ds layers be 5D when his only resistance is max 4D?
Overall why is Records all hax 5D when the book is just recording lower D hax.
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His resistances are not 4-D. He resists the Records which are 5-D. This is accepted as such, it is what it is.
The Fount of Life = Concept
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But Gilzen was beating him up until he used his full power, so wheres the RE here?
Arceus isnt tied to the fountainof life so thats not relevant here
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Again hes been affected by lower D hax, he doesn't resist any records. Hes not in it in, in the first place
Arceus existence isnt tied to the fountain of life whatoesver.
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Thats utterly impossible here
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They were evolving against the other. Gilzen beats him at first, then D started beating him later on, then Gilzen evolved again, and finally D evolved one final time and used the miracle blood light (which he copied and evolved further from Gilzen, one shotting). (I may or may not be forgetting one or two fights in between)
Arceus has a concept, D ***** with that.
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This is incorrect, and a rejected interpretation. Someone already tried downgrading the resistances and failed. You are welcome to try again tho.
Has a concept, he gets ******.
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So he didnt allow Gilzen time to evolve, not that it was impossible for him to. How is that anything besides normal RE?
Copies can be created for as long as his imaginations hold, and he can modify their capabilities just by believing it it, can also make them more powerful by believing they are. Its not going to take time whatsoever, all it takes is a thoght. I dont see D winning here
Arceus resists concept hax
Hes not tied to Fountain of life
A verse mechanic that governs D, irrelevant here
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Not really interested in circle arguments. What I've stated is how we treat D's stuff on the site. So voting D.
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Okay so explain how D gets affected by lower D hax throughout the story then
No fountain of life, no problem.
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But you mentioned nothing that is getting past Arceus low 1C power null, durability, Invulnerability plus immortality type 9
I haven't even mentioned most of Arceus hax here. Many D doesn't even resist
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Arceus isnt bound to it. Also
(The plates can negate any attack[33], with each plate corresponding to a specific type of power. This ranges from physical attacks, psychic attacks, spiritual attacks, Magical attacks, Draconic attacks as well as elemental attacks and various forms of power nullifications like Eternatus power nullification, which could nullify all Pokemon atttacks including various forms of power nullification, attack reflection, power mimicry and more powers, Can also release a shockwave which negates the current effects of the opponents' abilities[34]. Scales vastly above Good As Gold, which negates all status moves which tries to affect it[35] , status moves being any attack which do not directly inflict damage, which ranges from curse manipulation, mind manipulation, sealing, power nullification and many more. Has a vastly superior version of this ability called First Law[36] which negates all effects excluding damage which tries to affect the user, and Metal Barrier[37] which negates all effects including damage, both of which are variations of the nullification power of his plates ). This includes conceptual attacks as well? many, Pokemon are born from abstraction , the 4 ruinous entities are literally abstractions that decided to take form and become Pokémon by cloaking themselves in objects.
Also, Omniptent will cause D to passviely miss all his attacks.
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Okay so explain how D gets affected by lower D hax throughout the story then
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Yes i read this. D's passive fear hax doesn't fit any of the criteria. Its not physical, its not psychic, its not spiritual and its not magic based either. And even if Arceus negates it, the hax D has is layered anyway. Now for paralysis inducement. Arceus cant negate it still because its layered. His aura is also conceptual so Arceus cant do much about that
That is an NLF. I'm only going to assume attacks that omnipotent has been shown to miss.
wtf. Lower D hax cant work on higher D being by default. Unless they're a smurf or have feats doing it
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Its still fear. Spirit of which Arceus conceptually created. It's doing nothing here.
And enough with fountain of life, a verse mechanic that means nothing outside the verse
Everything passively misses. He's not blocking anything, to say it's blocking attacks way beyond his ap
It misses and doesn't hit him. It's hax and there's no nlf here.
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That was not my question.
How tf was D fought and affected by low D hax throughout his life if you claim he's higher D. And theres no higher D on his page whatsoever
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yeah..layered fear and layered paralysis. good luck with that.
fountain of life is literally a concept. Arceus can be conceptually fked. It can be used in vs matches. It doesn't matter if Arceus isnt related to fountain of life. its still a concept.
This is literally an NLF. We cant just assume everything will miss when it has never been show. And if you say arceus is gonna power mimic D's hax, you can only say he can mimic the hax that he has actually shown to mimic otherwise thats just a blatant NLF. it even says in the power mimicry page.
What? D has always been outside the akashic records which is 5D. Can you show me where D has been affected by lower D hax-
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Gets reflected by magic bounce, they miss or Arceus negates them with his plates. Many options exists
It's a life force thing that courses through living things within D verse.
Arceus is not related to it, nor is it flowing through his blood, so it's irrelevant here
Because Pokémon has all hax in Hunter D verse and more. That's why Ditto can run freely with being able to transform into anything on wiki at his dimensional level and AP limitations for the most part.
You can't play "nlf" game here unless we're dealing with higher D stuff
Did I read the first Volume of the book right or was he fought and affected by the vampires and others who are bound to the Records. In fact outside of Akashic, nothing of D is 5D whatsoever. Also seen clearly on his page.
Tldr: You can't affect D using the book, since y'know, he's literally not there to begin with. but you can fight him outside of it as has shown throughout the story.
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In all of the opposing arguments for D, not one of them covered the mechanics of D's Reactive Adaption even when cross-linked, D adapts to a point where merely believing gets resisted due to D's dream hax and subjective reality resistance, D for my vote.
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The Akashic Records are 5-D due to governing and usurping even realms that are transcendent of space-time, The Akashic records are the complete arsenal of whatever haxes in the verse being brought to a 5D level, which would all be applied to its usages, which includes plot hax, that's already several layers of RE (+negation) ahead.
Good, now how would that work against someone who isn't bound to any conventional cause and effect at all?
Which D also resists and adapts further with his own power absorption and resistance
You haven't addressed his reactive adaptation kicking in here to rival his clones immediately, Low 1-C AP comes from the Akashic Records which D completely usurps
D would still continuously evolve to counteract that with his own dream hax and resistance to it
Simple, he layeredly resurrects back with more strength than before, D permanently negs the ability to Evolve and Adapt even if it is layered and has evolved/adapted to the negation of RE and Adaption, via Miracle Bloodlight (As seen in Volume 17, against Gilzen, and also against the Sentient Darkness).
Pretty much a non-factor here since D's aura was able to affect Valcua, who was completely empowered by the Akashic Records to the point he became a god-like entity with complete omniscience of all of creation and has the power to do anything he wanted. Miracle Bloodlight specifically removes the ability of Adaption and RE along with Resistances to Adaptation and RE negation etc,
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It would mostly be an incon due to NEP and stuff, plus he is also lower than Arceus.
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true but that thread is specifically about who the strongest character is. knives/Arceus is 6D while D is 5D. D just beats arceus in a fight at 5D. we would have to wait for the VHD upgrades
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Either way, maybe it hasn't been applied but I'm pretty sure it was decided that D only resists what he has been shown to resist. The Akashic Records not being able to affect him with what it contains is a weakness of the Records not a resistance feat for D.
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its getting a possible rating
its immeasurable speed that is getting completely removed
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It literally is the latter.
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It's not. He is not in the records thus abilities from the records cannot affect him. This os a weakness of the Records being unable to affect what is not in it not a resistance feat
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that's not what was accepted.
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yeah....the resistances are accepted as a possible rating
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It was. He resist stuff like what happens when someone comes in contact with the Ether but the test is case by case. They need to be him resisting the ability not the ability failing to work because he isn't in the AR.
If you're really pushing this, every type 4 Acausal will resist every shit in their verse by default
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Still not accepted so...
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Just the one's that it's constantly implied he would be able to resist
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Literally is just that there's no one to make the changes
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If not applied then it's not accepted lol.
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bro i told u its getting a possible rating
"1. Plot Manipulation should be removed from AR
2. AR can keep all the abilities of the verse in its True Extent Key and gets a POSSIBLY rating for keeping Resistances
3. Change current NEP to Type 3 Aspect 1
4. Allow Resistances to AR to stay but remove the current reasoning of “not present in AR thus immune to them” and add more context and evidence to D’s feats of resisting the ARs abilities as provided by RM97. We also give D to resistance to predominantly main effects of the AR and it’s sub-effects (side effects)
D gets NO resistances to the copied abilities of AR (Such as Pain Manipulation and Attack Reflection)
D gets a LIKELY rating for resistances to AR abilities stemming from manipulating realms (Quantum Manipulation for containing information on Dirac Sea)
Current HDM reasons on the AR should be altered and changed to the new one and it should be relisted as Dimensional Manipulation. Also since this is Realm ability of the AR then D gets a LIKELY resistance to it as well"
"1. Plot Manipulation should be removed from AR
2. AR can keep all the abilities of the verse in its True Extent Key and gets a POSSIBLY rating for keeping Resistances
3. Change current NEP to Type 3 Aspect 1
4. Allow Resistances to AR to stay but remove the current reasoning of “not present in AR thus immune to them” and add more context and evidence to D’s feats of resisting the ARs abilities as provided by RM97. We also give D to resistance to predominantly main effects of the AR and it’s sub-effects (side effects)
- Fate Hax
- Clairvoyance/Precognition
- Reality Warp as well as Law Manip
- Conceptual Manipulation
- Space-Time manipulation
- Information Manipulation
- Information Analysis
- Power Nullification
- Death Manipulation
- Power Mimicry
- Information Manipulation
- Existence Erasure
D gets NO resistances to the copied abilities of AR (Such as Pain Manipulation and Attack Reflection)
D gets a LIKELY rating for resistances to AR abilities stemming from manipulating realms (Quantum Manipulation for containing information on Dirac Sea)
Current HDM reasons on the AR should be altered and changed to the new one and it should be relisted as Dimensional Manipulation. Also since this is Realm ability of the AR then D gets a LIKELY resistance to it as well"
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