Arceus (Pokémon) Vs D (Vampire Hunter D)

[OnsokunoSonic]

What's going on here? What's being discussed rn.

 

[Robo432343]

What's going on here? Why is this still going.

What's being discussed rn.

i ended the discussion.

now we can talk about the actual fight

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

What's Arceus thing to defeat D? It's quite a long post to reach here.

 

[Robo432343]

What's Arceus thing to defeat D? It's quite a long post to reach here.

this is what sniper is saying


"Arceus devolves D which reverses his age negates his powers, until he's a toddler, or beyond.... Out of existence. Unless D had high godly when he was a kid, or before being born he's a gonner. Basically, if you acquired a new power today and he reverses you to yesterday, you'd lose the powers you acquired today. So yeah, he doesn't need to directly interact with Ds soul.

Arceus absorbs the essence of Ds powers, infusing them into plates and granting himself the ability to passively negate and use all of it. Although not necessary as he could simply create Copies of Ds and use Subjective Reality to believe them to win allowing them to always be stronger than D... Well, depending on how strong Arceus belief is"

He thinks D cant conceptually fk Arceus over because Fount of life is just a verse mechanic

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Arceus devolves D

Useless, D adapt to that. Besides that, his passives are 5D due to capable of affecting Clulu who exist beyond normal space time and managed to affect Valcua who has fused with Valcua 2. A fused Valcua.

Absorbtion

That will not do much considering D can evolve to that, his evolution is also 5D. As shown in Vol 17 where D managed to adapt to The AR's 5D hax in mere seconds.

Fount of Life can't be a verse mechanic lol, that's like saying plates and spirit in Pokemon is verse mechanic. D still should win this using his passives alone, not counting the power that he gains from the AR.

Also, D's NEP is Type 2 and 3 with all aspects

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Oh, yeah D can also project his soul if needed. His soul is NEP Type 2 and 3 with... All aspects on NEP, just pointing that out.

And you can't fully copy D 100%. Multiple occasions has happened on the verse where people tried replicating D and failed. Not even the SA can create a perfect copy of D (See, Twin D).

 

[Sniper670]

I'll reply to these once I get home. This should be fun

 

[Sniper670]

The Akashic Records are 5-D due to governing and usurping even realms that are transcendent of space-time, The Akashic records are the complete arsenal of whatever haxes in the verse being brought to a 5D level, which would all be applied to its usages, which includes plot hax, that's already several layers of RE (+negation) ahead.

It's not. It's a book that's recording things it sees on the lower level.

He's almost like Arceus True Form nothing scales to 5D unless the thing it records is 5D.

Good, now how would that work against someone who isn't bound to any conventional cause and effect at all?

It's not causality manipulation. It's reversing the time and age of the opponent, which reversing their powers.

Which D also resists and adapts further with his own power absorption and resistance

Send scans of D resisting conceptual power absorption.

Arceus can absorb the very essence of your power, gives him full control and Immunity, not resistance, but immunity to any hax that comes out of it. As long as it's originating from the essence, it's meaningless to Arceus.

You haven't addressed his reactive adaptation kicking in here to rival his clones immediately, Low 1-C AP comes from the Akashic Records which D completely usurps

The book deciding not to record D ≠ resistance whatsoever. None of the statements mention D being superior in any way to the Akashic records.

The Akashic records didn't record him, that's an issue D would have with the Records, not Arceus

So Arceus still stomps with low 1C Ap and Invulnerability and power null.

D would still continuously evolve to counteract that with his own dream hax and resistance to

What dream hax?

Arceus thinks and gives them new powers on the fly, Arceus thinks they're stronger and they will be, they're shadows so they're not even going to rely on any fount of life whatsoever. D beat him opponent by not giving them the time to evolve to reach him?

Arceus has full knowledge of the future, he's seen what D is going to do so he's toast either way. He could give them more powers now based on what he sees in the future so D evolution would be meaningless here.

Add to the fact that Arceus hard caps the verse such that no matter how powerful a Pokémon can get, how smart humans can get or with what technology, even with the existence of Pokémon being able to clone other Pokémon on a cellular level, with imagination or human intelligence (Silvally) , his power and authority cannot be reached or surpassed by any means.

Simple, he layeredly resurrects back with more strength than before, D permanently negs the ability to Evolve and Adapt even if it is layered and has evolved/adapted to the negation of RE and Adaption, via Miracle Bloodlight (As seen in Volume 17, against Gilzen, and also against the Sentient Darkness).

No one is negating RE here

He's fighting someone who can make his creations more powerful by thinking they are

Completely not equivalent here. And I've explained why this would be meaningless earlier in post 5

Pretty much a non-factor here since D's aura was able to affect Valcua, who was completely empowered by the Akashic Records to the point he became a god-like entity with complete omniscience of all of creation and has the power to do anything he wanted.

Empowered? What empowered?

Arceus absorbs the fear, bounces off the others with attack reflection, turns them to null with his plates or they simply miss with Omnipotent.... Passively.

I'm sorry but D isn't landing a hit here to begin with when everything passively misses

Miracle Bloodlight specifically removes the ability of Adaption and RE along with Resistances to Adaptation and RE negation etc,

This isn't helping you here
1. They're imaginary beings, shadows
2. They're powered by the belief of another being and not D. They're not even alive to begin with, can be reformed any time
3. Stronger, faster and more durable than D at 2A with D's universe level durability not even being 5D to begin with.

 

[Sniper670]

In all of the opposing arguments for D, not one of them covered the mechanics of D's Reactive Adaption even when cross-linked, D adapts to a point where merely believing gets resisted due to D's dream hax and subjective reality resistance, D for my vote.

D is already beneath Arceus for being beneath his Subjective Creation.

I'm sorry but D is a long way from affecting Arceus here

 

[Sniper670]

Useless, D adapt to that. Besides that, his passives are 5D due to capable of affecting Clulu who exist beyond normal space time and managed to affect Valcua who has fused with Valcua 2. A fused Valcua.

Cannot adapt when Arceus canasdively boost just by thinking they're far more powerful than him.

That will not do much considering D can evolve to that, his evolution is also 5D. As shown in Vol 17 where D managed to adapt to The AR's 5D hax in mere seconds.

Refer to earlier post

Fount of Life can't be a verse mechanic lol, that's like saying plates and spirit in Pokemon is verse mechanic. D still should win this using his passives alone, not counting the power that he gains from the AR.

Reflected, negated, missed

Also, D's NEP is Type 2 and 3 with all aspects

Send scans of Ds nep 2. The person he's scaling to is only nep 1

 

[Sniper670]

Oh, yeah D can also project his soul if needed. His soul is NEP Type 2 and 3 with... All aspects on NEP, just pointing that out.

The scans describe nep 1, not two

And you can't fully copy D 100%. Multiple occasions has happened on the verse where people tried replicating D and failed. Not even the SA can create a perfect copy of D (See, Twin D).

He's using Subjective Reality here, they're not exactly him, just shadows with the exact same powers he has due to his "belief". He's simply inventing a D like being just by thinking and empowering them just by believing they are

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Arceus adaptation

How is being stronger means resisting his hax?

Reflected, Negated, Misses

Nein, all of his power are conceptual (all 5D too), unless his reflection, negation, and...miss power (?) is conceptual then none of it would work. And not to mention some of his passives are from his look, so Arceus looking at him will get affected.

NEP 2 and 3

Essentially, there is a realm of pure nothingness in VHD that lacks everything, down to the concepts and shit. The Akashic Record encompass this, and D is unbounded by it, meaning he's more or just as nonexistent as that nothingness.

Subjective Reality

That require Arceus copying D, which isn't possible. D also has fought multiple of himself and managed to beat them despite D being wounded AFAIK. But then again D can just evolve to it.

 

[Sniper670]

How is being stronger means resisting his hax?

It's all based on what Arceus thinks.

Yes he can create shadows of D's with his powers, yes he can make them more powerful, yes he can grant them new powers and abilities.

It's all based on what he believes

Nein, all of his power are conceptual unless his reflection, negation, and...miss power (?) is conceptual then none of it would work.

I want to see D resisting having the essence of his powers absorbed.

If there's none then Arceus absorbs which grants him full use of D's powers and immunity to them.

And not to mention some of his passives are from his look, so Arceus looking at him will get affected.

Which one?

I already explained why this won't work so we're going in circles on this one.

Essentially, there is a realm of pure nothingness in VHD that lacks everything, down to the concepts and shit. The Akashic Record encompass this, and D is unbounded by it, meaning he's more or just as nonexistent as that nothingness.

Nep 1.

That require Arceus copying D, which isn't possible.

Again, they're shadows that aren't particularly real beings here.

Everything else I explained in point 1

D also has fought multiple of himself and managed to beat them despite D being wounded AFAIK.

Again, these are vastly more powerful right off the bat. So I'm not seeing D winning anything here

But then again D can just evolve to it.

So it's just going to be a cycle of evolution, with them automatically being beneath Arceus existence due to his nature in relation to his creations.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Arceus thinking power

That's NLF, assuming he can create layers of hax is NLF.

D resisting his essence of power absorbed

Nein, his soul will still exist since it's nonexistent. That's a win for D since his soul has the same power as him. His soul also have NEP Type 2 and 3.

Snip

That's not NEP 1, D existence is outside existence (1) and that pure nothingness (2), where no mathematical construct can exist. That's NEP 2 sire.

Which one?

His empathic hax. What can Arceus do against that? I need to see the argument.

The clones will be more powerful

Then all will get passived by D and beaten down.

Arceus nature

Keyword: His creation.

D isn't a part of his creation nor the Akashic Record, that won't work.

 

[Sniper670]

That's NLF, assuming he can create layers of hax is NLF.

Layers?

He's not climbing any layers, nor is he evolving.

He thinks and they are you 1:1 as shadow copies.

Nein, his soul will still exist since it's nonexistent. That's a win for D since his soul has the same power as him. His soul also have NEP Type 2 and 3.

It's not nep 2. Where's the scans of it.

What's on his profile is type 3, even less than 2 and 1

That's not NEP 1, D existence is outside existence (1) and that pure nothingness (2), where no mathematical construct can exist. That's NEP 2 sire.

That's not nep 2. Giratina is also in a realm with no logic nor mathematical concept of time and space or spirit whatsoever.

What I'm seeing on his profile is paradoxical nonexistence, which is weaker than type 1 and 2

His empathic hax. What can Arceus do against that? I need to see the argument.

Empathic hax is meaningless because the Lake Trio are merely aspects and conceptually embodies emotions, knowledge and willpower.

Arceus is the one going to **** D on a conceptual level with emotions, Willpower and knowledge, not D.

Plus, Arceus mind transcends time and space, and space time transcendence was what was used to reach him. Completely unaffected and nuked them away.

Also, Arceus predates human spirit, which is what D is using here. Meaning Arceus himself is using a mental faculty beyond just those.

Then all will get passived by D and beaten down.

Get passived by vastly more powerful versions with the exact same passives he has but more powerful is ridiculous.

They're not on his same level of power, they are more powerful

And as long as Arceus holds the belief that they are more powerful, they will keep being more powerful

Futile endeavor as this would make D passively beneath Arceus

Keyword: His creation.

D isn't a part of his creation nor the Akashic Record, that won't work.

Good. Because it's Arceus creating artificial versions unrelated to D he simply gives them powers from information he's seen from D.

He's definitely creating replicas that way

 

[Sniper670]

Nvm

I've asked it here so uhh, would need input

https://vsbattles.com/threads/subjective-reality-on-nlfs.150392/post-5539652

Worst case scenario for Arceus is incon due to immortality type 9.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Giratina having better NEP than VHD

Lol

 

[StrymULTRA]

As I've said, VHD profiles are outdated in general, so it's better to wait a bit before making fights again.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Thinking power

Like I said, Arceus is not going to do anything he can't copy D.

Giratina NEP

Scans? That sounds fake.

D's NEP

Where did you...found that? Well the profile is outdated anyway. D's NEP is Type 2 and 3 sire. The Nothingness is purely nothing, is more nothing then even nonexistent weapons that has appeared In Vol 2, it doesn't contain anything even mathematical construct and conceptual thing like the Fountain of Life.

Arceus nuke

There's nothing you're nuking. D doesn't have anything for you to nuke. He has all aspects of NEP. D is the one that's gonna nuke.

Arceus can copy using information he has

Good, he won't see anything cause D lack information itself. Therefore the copy he made is gonna be as empty as your soul.

Also why are you assuming he can copy D's hax and layers? NLF to me. Getting more powerful doesn't mean he has more layers than D.

Absorbtion

D getting his physical body absorbed is...bad for Arceus cause that mean his soul is gonna work and he has all aspects of NEP so good luck with that.

Same for the clones, you're gonna push D to use his soul which is NEP lel.

 

[Sniper670]

Like I said, Arceus is not going to do anything he can't copy D.

That's not an explanation

This is a declaration based off 0 reasoning here.

Explain why Arceus cannot think an artificial D here with Subjective Reality and making them more powerful by believing they are. The latter of which D hasnt even contended with before as he's fought exact replicas and not superiors.

Scans? That sounds fake.

On his page.

Where did you...found that? Well the profile is outdated anyway. D's NEP is Type 2 and 3 sire. The Nothingness is purely nothing, is more nothing then even nonexistent weapons that has appeared In Vol 2, it doesn't contain anything even mathematical construct and conceptual thing like the Fountain of Life.

Well, your only chance to prove that on his page isn't nep, do this is irrelevant.

Unless you're planning a crt with additional information

There's nothing you're nuking. D doesn't have anything for you to nuke. He has all aspects of NEP. D is the one that's gonna nuke.

Scans of that.

Literally nep 1. Gets nuked by Arceus .

Giratina True Form literally exists as a 2A nonexistent structure.

Good, he won't see anything cause D lack information itself. Therefore the copy he made is gonna be as empty as your soul.

Good, because they're shadows.

He doesn't need D body to do anything. They're empty shells with powers imprinted on them based on what he sees, it's subjective Reality

D Lacking information is irrelevant here

Also why are you assuming he can copy D's hax and layers? NLF to me. Getting more powerful doesn't mean he has more layers than D.

Because Pokémon has every hax in Ds verse so there's nothing against it?

Plus, Pokémon literally invent new powers on the fly, from any and all sources.

I'm sorry but there's absolutely nothing against Arceus copying DS hax here, he already has them

Being able to create shadows of D just proves Ds existence as beneath his.

I already explained before. Arceus does not need to worry about whatever tech humans have, or whatever Pokémon is born to use any power. Nothing can be on his level within his verse.

So Ditto being able to copy on a cellular level = irrelevant to Arceus existence

Humans being able to create clones from the DNA of others = Irrelevant

The very existence of Silvally is imitating God = they Failed.

Ans I don't you'd want to compare the intelligence feats of Pokémon characters to D's here

He's unreachable no matter how powerful you get. And the entire logic behind Pokémon getting more powerful and getting Leveled up works for layers of hax as well.

D has nothing on Arceus here whatsoever

D getting his physical body absorbed is...bad for Arceus cause that mean his soul is gonna work and he has all aspects of NEP so good luck with that.

His soul is going to work in what way?

The absorption doesn't absorb D's body, they take away his powers on an essence level.

Same for the clones, you're gonna push D to use his soul which is NEP lel.

Type 1 and not even as impressive as Giratina

Arceus removes him from existence and calls it a day

 

[Kirinator07]

It's not. It's a book that's recording things it sees on the lower level.

He's almost like Arceus True Form nothing scales to 5D unless the thing it records is 5D.

And that lower level you're speaking of are the 4-D realms the records transcend.

It's not causality manipulation. It's reversing the time and age of the opponent, which reversing their powers.

Again, won't work on someone who's at least a type 4 acausal.

Send scans of D resisting conceptual power absorption.

Arceus can absorb the very essence of your power, gives him full control and Immunity, not resistance, but immunity to any hax that comes out of it. As long as it's originating from the essence, it's meaningless to Arceus.

Yes, like that would work on layered power absorption resistance and a bunch of other related resistances D can pull out.

The book deciding not to record D ≠ resistance whatsoever. None of the statements mention D being superior in any way to the Akashic records.

Not superior mind you, existing outside of its framework hence being immune to every power the franshise has to offer, even his own powers.

The Akashic records didn't record him, that's an issue D would have with the Records, not Arceus

So Arceus still stomps with low 1C Ap and Invulnerability and power null.

Why is it any relevant here? they govern every hax currently in the verse and D exists outside of such thing so in hindsight he'd adapt and resist whatever shenanigans Arceus could pull.

What dream hax?

Arceus thinks and gives them new powers on the fly, Arceus thinks they're stronger and they will be, they're shadows so they're not even going to rely on any fount of life whatsoever. D beat him opponent by not giving them the time to evolve to reach him?

Dream Manipulation and Reality Warping (Madame Laurencin warped the garden of General Gaskell into a scenario of blood and corpses. D was able to revert the garden to it's previous state. In Volume 26, D is stated to be able to turn Dreams into Reality, or Reality into Dreams)

He could as well Trap Arceus's Consciousness in a Dream inside a Dream inside a Dream inside a Dream, and so on in a recursive dream by using Sybil's ability.

There is no "significant gap of time" here. It is more so a few minutes after the first confrontation that the second/final confrontation happened since D confronts the darkness and slaughters it in the same chapter just a couple of pages later.

Arceus has full knowledge of the future, he's seen what D is going to do so he's toast either way. He could give them more powers now based on what he sees in the future so D evolution would be meaningless here.

D exists outside the records which govern the past, present and future of every timeline in creation so that point is moot at best.

Considering AR is just that, an all-encompassing force that governs everything in creation, including complete nonexistence, and any capable Reader of AR can gain a view of all past, present, and future events in creation as if reading a story, and they can change and retcon events like D did at the end to retcon the entire novel's events to a happy ending.

Add to the fact that Arceus hard caps the verse such that no matter how powerful a Pokémon can get, how smart humans can get or with what technology, even with the existence of Pokémon being able to clone other Pokémon on a cellular level, with imagination or human intelligence (Silvally) , his power and authority cannot be reached or surpassed by any means.

No one is negating RE here

He's fighting someone who can make his creations more powerful by thinking they are

Completely not equivalent here. And I've explained why this would be meaningless earlier in post 5

You should be more specific about the type of post you're referring to, doesn't matter how fast and powerful they can become, D will immediately overcome them and gain more of their powers to his arsenal while possibly negating the capabilities of Arceus creating such being in the first place.

Empowered? What empowered?

Arceus absorbs the fear, bounces off the others with attack reflection, turns them to null with his plates or they simply miss with Omnipotent.... Passively.

I'm sorry but D isn't landing a hit here to begin with when everything passively misses

This isn't helping you here
1. They're imaginary beings, shadows
2. They're powered by the belief of another being and not D. They're not even alive to begin with, can be reformed any time
3. Stronger, faster and more durable than D at 2A with D's universe level durability not even being 5D to begin with.

D can destroy non-existence, concepts & abstracts, metaphysical stuff, etc. So he can incap Arceus at mid, yes they are all 2-A and not Low 1-C unlike D, not sure why you're bringing it up as it matters to the rating.

You yourself don't even know of the actual layers Arceus's power null specifically has as before I asked you that on a different thread, Layered hax doesn't affect someone like that with individual layers. It literally hits you all at the same time with whatever layering the hax is.

 

[Sniper670]

And that lower level you're speaking of are the 4-D realms the records transcend.

5D preciding over 4D stuff.

So it's the same as Arceus True Form but there's 0 arguement for AR

Again, won't work on someone who's at least a type 4 acausal.

You mean Giratina?

Who has a far more impressive Acausality for being a world without logic, different causality, lacking the concept of time and space.

Yeah, D isn't resisting anything as this being I mentioned here is an entire 2A structure and beneath Arceus.

Yes, like that would work on layered power absorption resistance and a bunch of other related resistances D can pull out.

Where's conceptual power absorption resistance?

Send them let me see.

Not superior mind you, existing outside of its framework hence being immune to every power the franshise has to offer, even his own powers.

Good. So Framework of Ds verse

There was nothing that mentioned D is superior to the book.

Arceus affects him just as everyone in the verse does. Why do you keep dodging this? Why does he get affected by lower D hax with 0 explanations. The AR does not even say D is superior to the book. He's just not in it. Why is it my concern if the book decided not to record D?

I don't get the logic behin the Book deciding not to record him as a resistance when it's a weakness of the book, considering the fact that
1. Everyone has affected D and they're part of the Records and not transcendent of it

Why is it any relevant here? they govern every hax currently in the verse and D exists outside of such thing so in hindsight he'd adapt and resist whatever shenanigans Arceus could pull.

Good.

Has nothing to do with Arceus here so that's irrelevant here. Exists outside of your records ≠ Cannot be affected outside of the verse.

Also, he's gotten affected by lower D characters just fine. So the book Arceus is irrelevant and should be dropped asap

Dream Manipulation and Reality Warping (Madame Laurencin warped the garden of General Gaskell into a scenario of blood and corpses. D was able to revert the garden to it's previous state. In Volume 26, D is stated to be able to turn Dreams into Reality, or Reality into Dreams)

That's something even the weakest of Unown can do. Just one Unown has enough psychic power to create an entire dimension and warp it to his will just

And multiple Unown can create insane levels of psychic power.

More Unown = More power surpassing the previous levels.

And this is power beneath the power of Arceus as he, Arceus can is the source of all their powers and has been shown to be able to create these same Unown at will


I'm sorry but that girl is equivalent to just one Unown here. Vastly inferior to Arceus. D beating her still puts her beneath Arceus on many levels

And these are the beings with the insane Subjective Reality I was mentioning earlier.

He could as well Trap Arceus's Consciousness in a Dream inside a Dream inside a Dream inside a Dream, and so on in a recursive dream by using Sybil's ability.

Ahh, something a Pokémon with far inferior psychic power can do

Infinitely layered dream where if even one person doesn't acknowledge that you're in a dream, you'd keep breaking into more and more of said dream.

And also Mismagius trapping others into a dream so hard it was impossible to leave, and they were saved by a Pokémon who was in limbo between dream and reality.

Putting Arceus to sleep is next to impossible for D here as all these are fodder to Arceus .

With Pokémon being able to bfr your mind, and soul out of your body or combust the mind.

There is no "significant gap of time" here. It is more so a few minutes after the first confrontation that the second/final confrontation happened since D confronts the darkness and slaughters it in the same chapter just a couple of pages later.

One Unown = Powerful enough to embody an entire mindscape and warp it to its will

Multiple upon multiple Unown significantly multiplying his power to insane levels.

Yeah, Subjective Reality of one Unown already trumps what's in D, add more Unown and it's a mismatch here

Sorry, but D gets one tapped from the start. They will be superior because he believes they are using an ungodly amount of Psychic power at his disposal. Don't forget the entire logic behind levels/evolutions and and beyond is surpassing the previous here.

D exists outside the records which govern the past, present and future of every timeline in creation so that point is moot at best.

Giratina exist outside of space, time, logic, spirit on a conceptual level.

Does he transcend the authority of Arceus? Not a chance.

As Arceus is mentioned to be the one responsible for the D world that Giratina is, and is mentioned to be able to control the natural order of things as well.

I don't see how any of what you mentioned will help here.

Considering AR is just that, an all-encompassing force that governs everything in creation, including complete nonexistence, and any capable Reader of AR can gain a view of all past, present, and future events in creation as if reading a story, and they can change and retcon events like D did at the end to retcon the entire novel's events to a happy ending.

1. Arceus is unaffected by changes in the past. In fact he can just remove himself from the 4D cosmology by entering his realm.
2. Arceus scales above characters who can passively control their fate
3. In fact Pokémon can bind fate leading to your death if they die
4. In fact a very strong desire to win will steer fate in your path.

All these fodder to the God of the Pokémon multiverse as he it's mentioned the entire multiverse is at his beck and call and can do anything he wants, and can negate anything he wishes if he wants.

Akashic records is simply a book recording information in the lower D. Just a 5D character preciding over 4D cosmology.

You should be more specific about the type of post you're referring to, doesn't matter how fast and powerful they can become, D will immediately overcome them and gain more of their powers to his arsenal while possibly negating the capabilities of Arceus creating such being in the first place.

Arceus believes they're more powerful = > D no matter how powerful he adapts.

Again, referring you to Unown here.

D can destroy non-existence, concepts & abstracts, metaphysical stuff, etc.

All these exists in Pokémon so I'm unsure how this is a relevant argument for D

So he can incap Arceus at mid, yes to

He can't even get past Arceus defenses. Let alone incap. How is he getting past Arceus Plates. Explain

They are all 2-A and not Low 1-C unlike D, not sure why you're bringing it up as it matters to the rating.

The only thing of D is Akashic records here. His durability is universe level

The hax are all 4D level.

The book is simply recording information, there's nothing low 1C here besides the book itself

You yourself don't even know of the actual layers Arceus's power null specifically has as before I asked you that on a different thread, Layered hax doesn't affect someone like that with individual layers. It literally hits you all at the same time with whatever layering the hax is.

I don't get what you mean here.

What layers.

1 Unown already trouncs with subjective reality

More psychic energy = Significant levels of power can trounces any power it has before.

And it is with this power that she can believes anything and it imprints onto reality. With feats showing being able to grant new powers, skills, or simply wish they're more powerful and they will keep being more powerful so long as Arceus believes it

 

[Robo432343]

The only thing of D is Akashic records here. His durability is universe level

it doesn't matter if his dura is universe level. Immortality 3,4,7 covers that
Arceus don't have immo neg
D conceptually and passively uses fear, empathic, and paralysis hax. Arceus cant resist that because his hax is layered. And if Arceus is actually able to resist, D can just make it stronger

And dont say Arceus can make D miss his attacks because that is literally an NLF. Im only assuming abilities that it has been shown to miss

 

[Sniper670]

it doesn't matter if his dura is universe level. Immortality 3,4,7 covers that

These exist in Pokémon. Hardly any problem for Arceus here

Arceus don't have immo neg
D conceptually

But he has power absorption conceptually. Takes Ds powers away from him on a conceptual level and kills him.
Also, Pokémon verse has immortality from 1 to 9.

Arceus himself may not possess all, but he can deadass nuke their existence.

and passively uses fear, empathic, and paralysis hax. Arceus cant resist that because his hax is layered. And if Arceus is actually able to resist, D can just make it stronger

Arceus consciousness transcends time and space and he explicitly predates emotions, Willpower and Knowledge on a conceptual level.

So Arceus laughs at Ds weak attempt and summons Unown

Can stack up the Unown bypass Ds other layers and stomp with Subjective Reality. Creating dream-like beings and believing them to beat D to pulp

And the unowns are vast in number, an entire universe of them. He can also create more at will. So good luck

I've already explained what 1 Unown is capable of, and even that was described as "not much".

And dont say Arceus can make D miss his attacks because that is literally an NLF. Im only assuming abilities that it has been shown to miss

There's no blocking or tanking here, it simply misses. It's hax
Explain the nlf if the attack you're going to use on me is not hitting me. I'm not saying Arceus is tanking an attack beyond his capabilities. It's not hitting him to begin with. It also doesn't help as it's an attack pertaining to Arceus own existence so its low1C

 

[Robo432343]

These exist in Pokémon. Hardly any problem for Arceus here

He still doesn't have it on his profile

But he has power absorption conceptually. Takes Ds powers away from him on a conceptual level and kills him.

D has layered resistance to that.

Also, Pokémon verse has immortality from 1 to 9.

Not negation.

Arceus himself may not possess all, but he can deadass nuke their existence.

Arceus consciousness transcends time and space and he explicitly predates emotions, Willpower and Knowledge on a conceptual level.

how is this even relevant here??

Can stack up the Unown bypass Ds other layers and stomp with Subjective Reality. Creating dream-like beings and believing them to beat D to pulp

D has resistance to subjective reality.

And the unowns are vast in number, an entire universe of them. He can also create more at will. So good luck

I dont think thats going to do much...

I've already explained what 1 Unown is capable of, and even that was described as "not much".

There's no blocking or tanking here, it simply misses. It's hax

saying its 'hax' doesnt explain why it isnt an nlf. Im not assuming that ability can miss reactive evolution or layered conceptual abilitie for example because its never been shown

 

[Sniper670]

He still doesn't have it on his profile

Just look at other Pokémon profiles. He bypasses and it's irrelevant to his existence

D has layered resistance to that.

Arceus stacks up more Unown and bypasses that. Doesn't even need Unown, just stressing how beneath D is in relation to the himself

Not negation.

Can remove them from existence and they won't come back

how is this even relevant here??

Fear hax, paralysis, empathic are irrelevant because of it.

D has resistance to subjective reality.

Baseline.

That girls power is comparable to one Unown

Embodied the entire mindscape of a Pokémon and was just manifesting memories into reality and warping it to his will.

I dont think thats going to do much...

Bypasses Ds resistance with multilayered Subjective Reality and destroys D with dream copies far more powerful than him in hax layers etc

saying its 'hax' doesnt explain why it isnt an nlf. Im not assuming that ability can miss reactive evolution or layered conceptual abilitie for example because its never been shown

I meant attacks.

And Reactive Evolution is not doing much here as Subjective Reality already acts as such. Being able to think more powers, and abilities etc on his copies to make up for any shortcomings etc

Still, as I mentioned several times, Arceus doesn't need to worry and he doesn't because even if you posses a million Unowns or you can create replicas of him, his existence is transcendent over it.

So D isn’t even reaching Arceus, let alone the Unowns subjective powers

you either die by subjective reality, or live long enough to have your powers conceptually absorbed

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

you either die by subjective reality, or live long enough to have your powers conceptually absorbed - Sniper Dent (the dark robo)

 

[Kirinator07]

5D preciding over 4D stuff.

So it's the same as Arceus True Form but there's 0 arguement for AR

You mean Giratina?

Who has a far more impressive Acausality for being a world without logic, different causality, lacking the concept of time and space.

Yeah, D isn't resisting anything as this being I mentioned here is an entire 2A structure and beneath Arceus.

Where's conceptual power absorption resistance?

Send them let me see.

Good. So Framework of Ds verse

There was nothing that mentioned D is superior to the book.

Arceus affects him just as everyone in the verse does. Why do you keep dodging this? Why does he get affected by lower D hax with 0 explanations. The AR does not even say D is superior to the book. He's just not in it. Why is it my concern if the book decided not to record D?

I don't get the logic behin the Book deciding not to record him as a resistance when it's a weakness of the book, considering the fact that
1. Everyone has affected D and they're part of the Records and not transcendent of it


Good.

Has nothing to do with Arceus here so that's irrelevant here. Exists outside of your records ≠ Cannot be affected outside of the verse.

Also, he's gotten affected by lower D characters just fine. So the book Arceus is irrelevant and should be dropped asap

That's something even the weakest of Unown can do. Just one Unown has enough psychic power to create an entire dimension and warp it to his will just

And multiple Unown can create insane levels of psychic power.

More Unown = More power surpassing the previous levels.

And this is power beneath the power of Arceus as he, Arceus can is the source of all their powers and has been shown to be able to create these same Unown at will


I'm sorry but that girl is equivalent to just one Unown here. Vastly inferior to Arceus. D beating her still puts her beneath Arceus on many levels

And these are the beings with the insane Subjective Reality I was mentioning earlier.


Ahh, something a Pokémon with far inferior psychic power can do

Infinitely layered dream where if even one person doesn't acknowledge that you're in a dream, you'd keep breaking into more and more of said dream.

And also Mismagius trapping others into a dream so hard it was impossible to leave, and they were saved by a Pokémon who was in limbo between dream and reality.

Putting Arceus to sleep is next to impossible for D here as all these are fodder to Arceus .

With Pokémon being able to bfr your mind, and soul out of your body or combust the mind.

One Unown = Powerful enough to embody an entire mindscape and warp it to its will

Multiple upon multiple Unown significantly multiplying his power to insane levels.

Yeah, Subjective Reality of one Unown already trumps what's in D, add more Unown and it's a mismatch here

Sorry, but D gets one tapped from the start. They will be superior because he believes they are using an ungodly amount of Psychic power at his disposal. Don't forget the entire logic behind levels/evolutions and and beyond is surpassing the previous here.

Giratina exist outside of space, time, logic, spirit on a conceptual level.

Does he transcend the authority of Arceus? Not a chance.

As Arceus is mentioned to be the one responsible for the D world that Giratina is, and is mentioned to be able to control the natural order of things as well.

I don't see how any of what you mentioned will help here.

1. Arceus is unaffected by changes in the past. In fact he can just remove himself from the 4D cosmology by entering his realm.
2. Arceus scales above characters who can passively control their fate
3. In fact Pokémon can bind fate leading to your death if they die
4. In fact a very strong desire to win will steer fate in your path.

All these fodder to the God of the Pokémon multiverse as he it's mentioned the entire multiverse is at his beck and call and can do anything he wants, and can negate anything he wishes if he wants.

Akashic records is simply a book recording information in the lower D. Just a 5D character preciding over 4D cosmology.

Arceus believes they're more powerful = > D no matter how powerful he adapts.

Again, referring you to Unown here.

All these exists in Pokémon so I'm unsure how this is a relevant argument for D

He can't even get past Arceus defenses. Let alone incap. How is he getting past Arceus Plates. Explain

The only thing of D is Akashic records here. His durability is universe level

The hax are all 4D level.

The book is simply recording information, there's nothing low 1C here besides the book itself

I don't get what you mean here.

What layers.

1 Unown already trouncs with subjective reality

More psychic energy = Significant levels of power can trounces any power it has before.

And it is with this power that she can believes anything and it imprints onto reality. With feats showing being able to grant new powers, skills, or simply wish they're more powerful and they will keep being more powerful so long as Arceus believes it

Yes, whatever paragraphs you mentioned, D copies all of it, even the subjective reality, D himself would be 5-D with 5-D resistances regarding it, I'm not dodging anything here, you're the one simply ignoring the previous subjects on the layered abilities that D possesses, The scans don't mention the hax being 4-D. What layers? if you say that Arceus null everything D has without mentioning the number of actual layers it has, then any point regarding their power won't matter after this reply if you don't understand how hax layering works in this wiki.

 

[Sniper670]

Thanks for Asking then

It's mentioned that a single Unown can't do much (and this is what a single Unown is capable of.... And it was accidental). Simply put, a single Unown psychic energy is comparable to a third stage psychic who could ctrl + C and ctrl + P it's memories into a world it created and play it like a movie.

Five Unown can turn day into night in a town for a week, using the imagination of a girl of course (all logic be dammed). Can easily create shadow-like copies of other Pokémon(And Arceus used them to create 2A beings, and that was mentioned to be just a glimpse at his true power ) . Unown didn't do much here because the person who's imagination they were drawing stuff from wasn't demanding much. What she wanted was granted at last

More and more Unown stacking up created such a tremendous amount of Psychic energy that they in addition to Molly's spiraling mental state(who's mind they were extracting things to do) , they weren't able to properly control it until they were calmed down.


More Unown = More power. And they number in the 100s (likely more as they inhabit an entire universe, and seemingly they're the only things that exist) and more as Arceus can create them.

Here, it's mentioned even with all his psychic power, he can't do much against Sabrina meaning, more psychic power trounces less psychic power as well as resistances. And this man could reconvert Ash and co to full size, teleport and use telekinesis amongst others

Mega Mewtwo Ys mental capabilities are mentioned to have grown to such an extent he can crush a skyscraper with a mere thought of it.

(漢字) 身体は 小さくなったが パワーは ケタはずれ。 軽く 念じるだけで 高層ビルも 木っ端微塵 だ。

(Kanji) His body is smaller, but his power is off the charts. With just a light touch of the mind, even a skyscraper can be smashed to smithereens.

Mega Mewtwo Y completely trounces Base Mewtwo. Bypasses his shi* and nukes.

Mega Evolution as a whole is mentioned to be a whole new level of power as well. Mewtwo's power amp is directly linked to his psychic power having grown astronomically

With this in mind stacking more and more Unown layers his Subjective Reality as more Unown in possession = more power > less.

Arceus stands at the Apex, possessing the very essence of psychic energy

D gets trashed here beating that lady with SR is just comparable to 1 Unown.

 

[Sniper670]

Yes, whatever paragraphs you mentioned, D copies all of it,

Cannot even bypass the layers of SR, let alone Arceus himself.

even the subjective reality, D himself would be 5-D with 5-D resistances regarding it,

5D with universe level durability and fighting lower Ds all his life with no explanation how that is so.

Yeah, he's not doing anything to Arceus here.

I'm not dodging anything here, you're the one simply ignoring the previous subjects on the layered abilities that D possesses, The scans don't mention the hax being 4-D

Fire can open rifts in space time in Pokémon, Pokémon can literally rip open space time in Pokémon with bare hands , the literal life force of certain Pokémon can open rifts in space time.

And many Pokémon can create their own space time continuums with their powers. Psychic powers are 4D

What layers? if you say that Arceus null everything D has without mentioning the number of actual layers it has, then any point regarding their power won't matter after this reply if you don't understand how hax layering works in this wiki.

Which of them are layered?

The only layered stuff robo mentioned are meaningless. Fear hax, Empathic and paralysis and I explained why earlier.
Meanwhile Arceus can **** him up on a conceptual level with it so there's that

 

[Kirinator07]

Cannot even bypass the layers of SR, let alone Arceus himself.

Ignores the layers anyways due to layered hax of his own, including the individual, won't help here against someone whose very existence allows him to consistently bypass and evolve to layers upon layers of haxes as soon as they hit him.

5D with universe level durability and fighting lower Ds all his life with no explanation how that is so.

Yeah, he's not doing anything to Arceus here.

Except for his father who had many layers above 5-D and had his own powers as well.

Which of them are layered?

The only layered stuff robo mentioned are meaningless. Fear hax, Empathic and paralysis and I explained why earlier.
Meanwhile Arceus can **** him up on a conceptual level with it so there's that

Every one of his abilities are layered to the extreme due to the amount of enemies he scales off to and adapts to resist.

D can perfectly copy Arceus's haxes and resistances via both his own hax and also via AR, so his Power Nullification and Reality-related Hax both get copied along with his entire Arsenal regardless is he uses them or not. In addition, he can also completely absorb all the powers of Arceus just by touching him.

 

[Sniper670]

Ignores the layers anyways due to layered hax of his own, including the individual, won't help here against someone whose very existence allows him to consistently bypass and evolve to layers upon layers of haxes as soon as they hit him.

Unown scales to 100+ layers of subjective Reality

Arceus stomps so hard it's not even funny here.

Mention the layers let me see? You can't just go "ignores layers" when The basic premise of Omnipotent of Arceus own powers is resistance negation of any hax within the cosmology including Unown.

Except for his father who had many layers above 5-D and had his own powers as well.

What layers of 5D?

I read the crt with Akashic Records downgrade, there's nothing of sorts. You're speaking as if everything of D is 5D. No

And that's one of the reasons his durability is universe level. Arceus taps him with vastly superior Ap, or conceptually remove his powers, or use the Unown to massively ouscale above D with Subjective Reality

Every one of his abilities are layered to the extreme due to the amount of enemies he scales off to and adapts to resist.

1 Unown subjective Reality = The lady D beat.

100s of Unown.

There are an infinite Unown for every universe has many, many Unown. And the Pokémon Cosmology has infinite Universes being precided over by Arceus

Adapt to infinitely layered Unown with less than 10 layers with 0 feats for it.

Oh, they're all still beneath Arceus here as the very essence of the energy that powers their hax is in Arceus Plates, which is one of the very few reasons its impossible for D to copy Arceus here whatsoever.

D can perfectly copy Arceus's haxes and resistances via both his own hax and also via AR,

Arceus hax is unreachable.

1. No matter how many Unown you stack on top of each other, regardless of how powerful you can believe your subjective reality to be, Arceus own existence is risen above the cosmology.

2. No matter what tech you use to replicate his powers, he's still above it. Humans tried and failed massively with Silvally. And these are people who can compactify infinite space into objects, extract infinite energy by reverse engineering life force and copying 1:1 many Pokémon with all their powers intact

so his Power Nullification and Reality-related Hax both get copied along with his entire Arsenal regardless is he uses them or not. In addition, he can also completely absorb all the powers of Arceus just by touching him.

Arceus > Infinite Unown > D's Several layers

This is a stomp. D keeps adapting and still be beneath Arceus

 

[Kirinator07]

Unown scales to 100+ layers of subjective Reality

Arceus stomps so hard it's not even funny here.

Mention the layers let me see? You can't just go "ignores layers" when The basic premise of Omnipotent of Arceus own powers is resistance negation of any hax within the cosmology including Unown.

What layers of 5D?

I read the crt with Akashic Records downgrade, there's nothing of sorts. You're speaking as if everything of D is 5D. No

And that's one of the reasons his durability is universe level. Arceus taps him with vastly superior Ap, or conceptually remove his powers, or use the Unown to massively ouscale above D with Subjective Reality

1 Unown subjective Reality = The lady D beat.

100s of Unown.

There are an infinite Unown for every universe has many, many Unown. And the Pokémon Cosmology has infinite Universes being precided over by Arceus

Adapt to infinitely layered Unown with less than 10 layers with 0 feats for it.

Oh, they're all still beneath Arceus here as the very essence of the energy that powers their hax is in Arceus Plates, which is one of the very few reasons its impossible for D to copy Arceus here whatsoever.

Arceus hax is unreachable.

1. No matter how many Unown you stack on top of each other, regardless of how powerful you can believe your subjective reality to be, Arceus own existence is risen above the cosmology.

2. No matter what tech you use to replicate his powers, he's still above it. Humans tried and failed massively with Silvally. And these are people who can compactify infinite space into objects, extract infinite energy by reverse engineering life force and copying 1:1 many Pokémon with all their powers intact

Arceus > Infinite Unown > D's Several layers

This is a stomp. D keeps adapting and still be beneath Arceus

Is he above a 5-D dimensional realm, cause if not then D just passively wins either way, in that case, the whole match will be a stomp. The Akashic Records itself is an infinite-sized 5D realm, not a 5D being. For comparison, it'll be the equivalent of the entire Arceus realm in Pokemon but Infinite in Size. D already exists unbounded by/outside of the Akashic Records influence whose Ethers record every information of all creation and governs them but D is missing from it. Even when D was forcefully written to be a part of the Akashic Records by Valcua, he was able to adapt and evolve and become resistant to it. So Arceus's scaling from individual 4 or 5-D beings wouldn't suffice here.

 

[Sniper670]

Is he above a 5-D dimensional realm, cause if not then D just passively wins either way, in that case, the whole match will be a stomp.

D isn't above a 5D realm dawg.

In fact he's been affected within the cosmology itself. Why do you keep ignoring that exactly?

Plus, the records is governing lower D hax so any hax D resists isn't even 5D to begin with.

I don't see 5D layers here whatsoever.

The Akashic Records itself is an infinite-sized 5D realm, not a 5D being. For comparison, it'll be the equivalent of the entire Arceus realm in Pokemon but Infinite in Size.

There are millions of 5D realms within the cosmology for every Arceus avatar of the OS with the OS encompassing all and using Avatars to precise over them.

So if it's a matter of who stomps who, I don't think you're in any position to contest the Original Spirit's avatar here. Just one realm and you already think you're above Arceus

D already exists unbounded by/outside of the Akashic Records influence whose Ethers record every information of all creation and governs them but D is missing from it

He can be affected normally within the cosmology, you just can't affect him in the records cos he's not there to begin with.

He faces Arceus, Arceus stomps

. Even when D was forcefully written to be a part of the Akashic Records by Valcua, he was able to adapt and evolve and become resistant to it. So Arceus's scaling from individual 4 or 5-D beings wouldn't suffice here.

Yes, Arceus Power in mentioned to be infinite in relation to himself, so Arceus still massively stomps here.

 

[Kirinator07]

D isn't above a 5D realm dawg.

And where did I say that?

In fact he's been affected within the cosmology itself. Why do you keep ignoring that exactly?

Plus, the records is governing lower D hax so any hax D resists isn't even 5D to begin with.

I don't see 5D layers here whatsoever.

Not outside of it, and also I'm not ignoring anything here, stop bringing up this baseless assumption. The layers

There are millions of 5D realms within the cosmology for every Arceus avatar of the OS with the OS encompassing all and using Avatars to precise over them.

So if it's a matter of who stomps who, I don't think you're in any position to contest the Original Spirit's avatar here. Just one realm and you already think you're above Arceus

Are any of them infinite here bordering on 6-D hax? doesn't matter how many there are.

He can be affected normally within the cosmology, you just can't affect him in the records cos he's not there to begin with.

He faces Arceus, Arceus stomps

Yes, Arceus Power in mentioned to be infinite in relation to himself, so Arceus still massively stomps here.

Yeah, resistances cover it even if not a part of the records, remind you that they have every possible hax in the universe and D would be unaffected by all of them, they layers you're mentioning are all scaled to 2-A, not Low 1-C here.

Mind you, D literally has the ability to adapt to technically every hax possible, from the basic, lower ones to middle/high tier hax such as RE or high-godly level of regeneration/power null, to what basically are the pinnacles of hax atm: Extremely advanced level of Space-time manipulation/Reality warping, Conceptual manip type 1 and even Plot/Story/Meta control.

Finally Like a Book” =/= Is a Book

 

[Kirinator07]

D's profile is very outdated and needs to be revised regardless

 

[Sniper670]

If it's a case of D going to hide in layers of 5D that's fine.

Arceus has immortality Type 9 now so Arceus comes back even if D kills him. And the OS created Arceus from an NEP 2 source, Primordial Chaos that precedes the concept of nonexistence and existence, so he can bring him back as many times as he likes

 

[Kirinator07]

If it's a case of D going to hide in layers of 5D that's fine.

Arceus has immortality Type 9 now so Arceus comes back even if D kills him. And the OS created Arceus from an NEP 2 source, Primordial Chaos that precedes the concept of nonexistence and existence, so he can bring him back as many times as he likes

D can't negate Type 9 immortality meaning that Arceus would get repeatedly bullied and D would come back given the state of his adaptive resilience.

 

[Sniper670]

Inconclusive then.

 

[theultimate5105]

Don’t see how this isn’t Incon seeing how Arceus has a 6-D true form