Arceus (Pokémon) Vs D (Vampire Hunter D)

[Robo432343]

Arceus
VS
D
Both 5-D
SBA
Speed =

D: 5

Arceus: 1

Incon:

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Wrong forum

 

[Robo432343]

****

 

[Excellence616]

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[Robo432343]

reporting u for doing that smh

 

[Kirinator07]

D can adapt to 12 layers of powernull pretty easily.

 

[Zeifyl]

Isn't Arceus still pretty much haxless in 5D?
Pretty sure D stomps.

 

[Kirinator07]

Isn't Arceus still pretty much haxless in 5D?
Pretty sure D stomps.

Not really anymore

 

[Zeifyl]

Not really anymore

From what I could see in the 4D/5D -> 5D/6D, all he gets is 5D Creation, Destruction, and Powernull, which AFAIK isn't enough to deal with anything noteworthy in the tier.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Arceus getting an upgrade to 5D is a bit like when DBS first made Goku tier 3 and 2. They were both given a harsh welcome wherein the existing residents came over and stomped on their faces one after another, like the new kid in school except much worse. Goku still hasn't fully escaped that situation, but he's doing better now, and he gets his revenge with Xeno Goku, but Arceus is still finding his feet, the poor Llama...

 

[theultimate5105]

Also Arceus’s null is 5-D

 

[Zeifyl]

Arceus has 6d immortality 9, that’s the thing

If D is only 5d, doesn't that make the fight incon then? 'cause I can't imagine any way for llama to win.

 

[Zeifyl]

Arceus does have 6d concept manip

As the creator of the thread, I don't think you're supposed to provide input.

 

[Everything12]

As the creator of the thread, I don't think you're supposed to provide input.

No idea where you got that from, but the thread creator can give their input.

 

[Zeifyl]

No idea where you got that from, but the thread creator can give their input.

My bad then.
Anyway, isn't it only true llama that has 6D concept hax?

 

[Kirinator07]

If they were both 5-D it would most likely be incon, D has type 4 acausality and possibly NEP type 2, does the concept hax work on conceptless beings like D?

 

[Sniper670]

D can adapt to 12 layers of powernull pretty easily.

I'll input

D doesn't have 5D durability, so it's a one shot from Arceus side. Plus 5D powernull which scales to his creation which D nor Akashic records have no feats of bypassing.

Acausality type 4 isn't relevant here. But Arceus can definitely affect nonexistent realms after creating one and sending Giratina there.

Arceus devolves D which reverses his age negates his powers, until he's a toddler, or beyond.... Out of existence. Unless D had high godly when he was a kid, or before being born he's a gonner. Basically, if you acquired a new power today and he reverses you to yesterday, you'd lose the powers you acquired today. So yeah, he doesn't need to directly interact with Ds soul.

Arceus absorbs the essence of Ds powers, infusing them into plates and granting himself the ability to passively negate and use all of it. Although not necessary as he could simply create Copies of Ds and use Subjective Reality to believe them to win allowing them to always be stronger than D... Well, depending on how strong Arceus belief if

Can the records be taken away from him?

 

[Sniper670]

I think this can still go on instead of waiting for a yet-to-be-made revision.

Waiting would've made more sense if there was currently a revision going on

 

[Sniper670]

wait D has passive and layered paralysis, fear and conceptual hax
arceus dont resist passive cm hax

Arceus has Invulnerability plus passive power null and resistances negation Via Omnipotent and his plates

Omnipotent also causes any and all attacks to miss. More

1. Negates paralysis and can reflect it back to D.
2. Negates all hax in verse, including concept hax of the CT

and if arceus does resist those, D can just make it stronger

And the Unown powers comes to the rescue :

Arceus creates shadow Ds who are 2A and uses Subjective Reality to grant them new powers and abilities to win. Or he just "believes" in them

You know what that means? with the plates being unreachable by any hax within the verse this just makes D beneath his existence because D is already beneath Arceus subjective creations(minus Akashic) due to his "belief". So no matter how much stronger or resistant he gets, shadow Ds super powered by Sr kinda still stomps

 

[Robo432343]

The concern here is NEP
NEP for arceus makes this a stomp-
i think

 

[Sniper670]

resistance negation is negating D's resistances, not Arceus's. Arceus doesn't resist fear hax, conceptual hax, empathic hax from his profile.

He does his plates does all these passively.

its not missing hax on a conceptual lvl because its never been shown to-

It misses. That's what it does, as long as it pertains to harming Arceus it will be treated as "missed" even if it hit

D resist's both.

Same as the stronger shadow Ds

is that even on his profile

Yes, power null negating all hax in verse. Which he doesn't really need because he he could use omnipotent to passively cause all attacks to miss

D has already fought a copy of himself and he's Low 1-C so 2-A dont even matter.

He's never fought a more powerful copy of himself before, powered by the thoughts and dreams of Arceus, so that won't help.

Iirc only Akashic records is low 1C, which gets negated by Arceus low 1C power null plus Invulnerability.

Also, most of Ds powers aren't 5D so if it was purely D, he loses.

For now Arceus kinda stomps via reverting D and negating his powers in the process, and one shotting with low 1C ap

Hold on. The clip is talking about how the little girl believes in them, not Arceus...

1. Arceus gave all Pokémon their powers, so he's vastly superior to them
2. Arceus has used the Unown in the absence of his plates

 

[Sniper670]

The concern here is NEP
NEP for arceus makes this a stomp-
i think

Nope.

This is Avatar Arceus so uhh,

 

[Robo432343]

Hold up. Arceus wouldn't even be able to 1 shot because of D's immortality

 

[Sniper670]

Not on profile dawg

It's under Invulnerability and power null

That clip you sent me...the pink guy was not using something D would use so we cant just assume it will miss. If D was using the same ability the pink guy was using then sure.

That was just an example of how it works. Pokémon has every hax in D hunter verse and many more that I didn't bother to add to Arceus profile because I don't know what p&a it would fit.

ok-

dawg he hasn't been shown to resist some of D's hax

Arceus doesn't resist, he negates. That's why his actual resistances are few. Turns it to null, 0

what is Arceus even gonna think about to defeat D

In the movie, the girl beat the Unown by believing in it can win. But as the Raikou said, it can do anything so long as you believe it can do it.

He simply creates shadow copies of Ds and believes in them. They'll be able to beat their opponents with just that.

Yah, D is low 1-C with Akashic records. Akashic records and D himself has resistance to power null anyway.

4D. Unless I'm missing something and Akashic records has affected a 5D object before

This is D with the Akashic records which has a whole wall of 5D Hax

Same as above

D has layered resistance to power null, but yeah D's durability is the main factor

Same as above

 

[Sniper670]

Hold up. Arceus wouldn't even be able to 1 shot because of D's immortality

Reactive Devolution was the first wincon here.

Reverts D and negates his powers in the process. Reverting him into a toddler and removing him from existence completely. or he reverts D into a toddler and takes all Ds powers and kills him

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Reactive Devolution was the first wincon here.

Reverts D and negates his powers in the process. Reverting him into a toddler and removing him from existence completely. or he reverts D into a toddler and takes all Ds powers and kills him

Should be noted, D most likely had most of his powers since birth, as he was genetically engineered to be the perfect cross between a Noble (powers of darkness) and Humans (powers of light). He's also already non-existent.

Edit: By SBA, this is Armageddon D with the Records, which means he also has everything here

 

[Sniper670]

Should be noted, D most likely had most of his powers since birth, as he was genetically engineered to be the perfect cross between a Noble (powers of darkness) and Humans (powers of light). He's also already non-existent.

Edit: By SBA, this is Armageddon D with the Records, which means he also has everything here

The nep 2 looks like nep 1 to me. was it one of the profiles which weren't revised after nep revisions? Or there are nep 2 realms

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The nep 2 looks like nep 1 to me. was it one of the profiles which weren't revised after nep revisions? Or there are nep 2 realms

No idea, ngl

 

[Kirinator07]

I'll input

D doesn't have 5D durability, so it's a one shot from Arceus side. Plus 5D powernull which scales to his creation which D nor Akashic records have no feats of bypassing.

D's resistances scale to 5-D courtesy of the Akashic Records as he exists outside of them due to it.

Arceus devolves D which reverses his age negates his powers, until he's a toddler, or beyond.... Out of existence. Unless D had high godly when he was a kid, or before being born he's a gonner. Basically, if you acquired a new power today and he reverses you to yesterday, you'd lose the powers you acquired today. So yeah, he doesn't need to directly interact with Ds soul.

Dunno how that works against type 4 Acausality, and as the other person did say, that D most likely had most of his powers since birth, as he was genetically engineered to be the perfect cross between a Noble (powers of darkness) and Humans (powers of light).

Arceus absorbs the essence of Ds powers, infusing them into plates and granting himself the ability to passively negate and use all of it. Although not necessary as he could simply create Copies of Ds and use Subjective Reality to believe them to win allowing them to always be stronger than D... Well, depending on how strong Arceus belief if

His father, the Sacred Ancestor (in his true form which is the Void), has most of the things which you mentioned and D is stated to be linked to him to the point that D does not require any conceptual aspects to survive as his power source is the Void itself.

Can the records be taken away from him?

Not like it would even matter here

Arceus doesn't resist, he negates. That's why his actual resistances are few. Turns it to null, 0

Well it doesn't help all that much, Power Null is not doing jack as D naturally resistant to that due to AR's effects. Moreover, his Reactive Evolution takes care of any layered hax that are potent enough to bypasses his resistances. Such an example is D fighting Lord Rocambole who nullified D's aura as soon as it touched the latter but later on couldn't nullify D's powers. In the same fight, Rocambole could initially Copy D's moves but later on couldn't mimic him.

In the movie, the girl beat the Unown by believing in it can win. But as the Raikou said, it can do anything so long as you believe it can do it.

He simply creates shadow copies of Ds and believes in them. They'll be able to beat their opponents with just that.

His layered reactive adaptation will take care of that, D not only has Layered Regen but also Layered Hax and Resistances. As others have pointed out in this thread, his Reactive Evolution is OP and basically lets him resist and be unaffected by shit that affected him previously.

4D. Unless I'm missing something and Akashic records has affected a 5D object before

Refer to the first point.

He does his plates does all these passively.

Yes, power null negating all hax in verse. Which he doesn't really need because he he could use omnipotent to passively cause all attacks to miss

He's never fought a more powerful copy of himself before, powered by the thoughts and dreams of Arceus, so that won't help.

D already eternally stalemated his Dad who has the same powers as D plus more including all the Vampires powers. So any form of Incap or Non-Physical hax is completely out of question here as D resists everything he and his Dad has but on a higher scale.

Iirc only Akashic records is low 1C, which gets negated by Arceus low 1C power null plus Invulnerability.

Also, most of Ds powers aren't 5D so if it was purely D, he loses.

For now Arceus kinda stomps via reverting D and negating his powers in the process, and one shotting with low 1C ap

Refer to the 4th and 5th point, Also, D with AR would mean Arceus's entire arsenal is getting copied the moment the match starts while D will simply negate his blessing and rewrite his fate.

 

[StrymULTRA]

D FRA

 

[CathyEpic]

D FRA

 

[Sniper670]

D's resistances scale to 5-D courtesy of the Akashic Records as he exists outside of them due to it.

That's not 5D. Plus his durability isn't 5D so Arceus keeps one tapping with low 1C Ap and noping his powers with low 1C power null and durability

Dunno how that works against type 4 Acausality, and as the other person did say, that D most likely had most of his powers since birth, as he was genetically engineered to be the perfect cross between a Noble (powers of darkness) and Humans (powers of light).

This power reverts D to when he didn't possess the power in the first place to when he didn't possess that power. Good thing D has 0 resistance to age hax as Arceus reverts him into a kid and absorbs his powers.

His father, the Sacred Ancestor (in his true form which is the Void), has most of the things which you mentioned and D is stated to be linked to him to the point that D does not require any conceptual aspects to survive as his power source is the Void itself.

That's not relevant here after power absorption

Not like it would even matter here

Hmm

Well it doesn't help all that much, Power Null is not doing jack as D naturally resistant to that due to AR's effects. Moreover, his Reactive Evolution takes care of any layered hax that are potent enough to bypasses his resistances. Such an example is D fighting Lord Rocambole who nullified D's aura as soon as it touched the latter but later on couldn't nullify D's powers. In the same 3, Rocambole could initially Copy D's moves but later on couldn't mimic him.

This is D fighting a 2A 1:1 copy of himself.

Omnipotent ignores any and all resistance that will hinder or stop Arceus from using his powers on his opponents.

Doesn't matter., can just create vastly superior versions of D and keep one tapping with superior Ap

His layered reactive adaptation will take care of that, D not only has Layered Regen but also Layered Hax and Resistances. As others have pointed out in this thread, his Reactive Evolution is OP and basically lets him resist and be unaffected by shit that affected him previously.

That is simply making Arceus copies powerful. In addition with 2A AP.

They kinda still stomp as Arceus can simply believe them to be more powerful and grant them powers and abilities to counter them

D already eternally stalemated his Dad who has the same powers as D plus more including all the Vampires powers. So any form of Incap or Non-Physical hax is completely out of question here as D resists everything he and his Dad has but on a higher scale.

Again. He's fighting 2A copies of himself. He can regen, but they one shot him. The AP to Durability gap is too much plus power absorption

Refer to the 4th and 5th point, Also, D with AR would mean Arceus's entire arsenal is getting copied the moment the match starts while D will simply negate his blessing and rewrite his fate.

Arceus Plates don't even work on Pokémon, let alone a human unrelated to Arceus. Cannot be copied, nor negated. And this is a verse where humans can reverse engineer Pokémon to create more copies and extract infinite energy from the life force of all Pokémon

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

That's not 5D. Plus his durability isn't 5D so Arceus keeps one tapping with low 1C Ap and noping his powers with low 1C power null and durability

This power reverts D to when he didn't possess the power in the first place to when he didn't possess that power. Good thing D has 0 resistance to age hax as Arceus reverts him into a kid and absorbs his powers.

Arceus' age hax is based on time manip, no? D resists that on 5-D level with the Records.

D has also fought and defeated copies of himself in the novels, btw. Multiples at the same time, in fact. Their AP is irrelevant as D simply evolves beyond their resistances and one taps cutting their founts of life.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Arceus Plates don't even work on Pokémon, let alone a human unrelated to Arceus. Cannot be copied, nor negated. And this is a verse where humans can reverse engineer Pokémon to create more copies and extract infinite energy from the life force of all Pokémon

No resistance to 5-D mimicry = he gets copied. It is what it is.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Arceus' age hax is based on time manip, no? D resists that on 5-D level with the Records.

D has also fought and defeated copies of himself in the novels, btw. Multiples at the same time, in fact. Their AP is irrelevant as D simply evolves beyond their resistances and one taps cutting their founts of life.

Btw D's profile is outdated asf and was supposed to be updated to become 1-C with a lot of crap like Transduality 2, BDE 2, all aspects of NEP, etc be added, only that @RM97 does not bother to work on this wiki anymore so F.

 

[Sniper670]

Arceus' age hax is based on time manip, no? D resists that on 5-D level with the Records.

5D. Records isn't governing 5D time.

D has also fought and defeated copies of himself in the novels, btw. Multiples at the same time, in fact. Their AP is irrelevant as D simply evolves beyond their resistances and one taps cutting their founts of life.

You missed a few things. To Unown capabilities
1. 2A DS via Subjective Reality vs vastly inferior durability means they'd kinda put D down for the count with their attacks

2. They're already more powerful based on his belief via Subjective Reality. He could make them more powerful just by believing they are

Not equivalent.

 

[Sniper670]

Btw D's profile is outdated asf and was supposed to be updated to become 1-C with a lot of crap like Transduality 2, BDE 2, all aspects of NEP, etc be added, only that @RM97 does not bother to work on this wiki anymore so F.

You can discuss that in the discussion thread

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

5D. Records isn't governing 5D time.

You missed a few things. To Unown capabilities
1. 2A DS via Subjective Reality vs vastly inferior durability means they'd kinda put D down for the count with their attacks

2. They're already more powerful based on his belief via Subjective Reality. He could make them more powerful just by believing they are

Not equivalent.

D evolves past them. Unironically. See his fight with Gilzen.

Arceus' hax is 5-D, D resists 5-D. That's all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

5D time is not really relevant? They're both 5D, whenever is 3+2D or 4+1D, what matters is the superiority.

 

[Sniper670]

D evolves past them. Unironically. See his fight with Gilzen.

Dunno where to read that fight. But here
Stronger than Post Volume 11 D and forced him to go Full Vampire Mode

This doesn't mean he evolved past him. Seems Gilzen was beating him until he went vampire mode (I presume that's his full power?)

In this case they're far more powerful that his full power wouldn't make up for that gap at all unless he decides to use Akashic

Arceus' hax is 5-D, D resists 5-D. That's all.

which 5D attack did D resist exactly?