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Refer to the title, and yes we are doing this again, with an actual argument this time to use.
Recently, Arceus was upgraded to Low 1-C in this thread. However, his hax hasn’t been given the same treatment due to not having sufficient justifications for why his abilities would scale to his dimensionality and be considered Low 1-C. Until now that is. Giving an actual argument on why the hax should scale, the answers I have are actually pretty simple. First things first, here’s something referenced in the thread where Arceus got upgraded to Low 1-C in the first place. The Eternal Battle Reviere.
Eternal Battle Reviere
Basically, as I mentioned in the earlier Low 1-C thread, this is a game mode in Legends Arceus where Arceus summons you again to its realm to challenge you in fights. You can fight anything from wild Pokémon to even using your own Arceus against “Arceus’ Arceus”, and it showcased even multiple versions of the Creation Trio existing at the same time, confirming completely that they use avatars to interact with the multiverse. This was even said in the game itself, where Arceus has given to the MC a part of itself as a reward for completing the mission Arceus has originally gave to them when it “isekai’d” them to Hisui, and the dex’s requirement to complete Arceus’ page (here's the clip where I took the screenshot) just repeats this even more.
The important point here from this to focus on is the fact, that, since Arceus is able to bring you to his dimension to have battles against you with “his own Arceus”, and throws against us anything from wild Pokémon to the Creation Trio to battle against inside his dimension too, that means that Arceus’s powers, and Pokémon powers, are able to be used and operate inside his dimension, which is accepted as a 5-D realm as of now.
This should be helpful evidence to help suffice the idea that Arceus’s hax scales to his dimensionality since he’s bringing you to his dimension to battle against him, and the moves used by his avatars, the Creation Trio and otherwise, can work inside his dimension. And we all know the kind of moves the former 3’s attacks and moves have that can effect things like time and space, such as Roar of Time and Spatial Rend.
Of course, fighting inside his dimension isn’t all there is here, as better evidence is coming on top of this next.
The Legend Plate
In addition to the above about his dimeneion, Legends also gives us something called the Legend Plate, where this inscription is stated on the plate itself:
“From all creations, over all creations, does the Original One watch over all."
And here, the important part, is the description of what the plate is:
“A stone tablet imbued with the essence of all creation. When used on a certain Pokémon, it allows that Pokémon to gain the power of every type there is.”
It’s as said. The Legend Plate outright states that all of creation's essence is imbued into it, granting the powers of all Pokémon types. This is important, because we all already know the relationship between that of all Pokémon powers and types, and Arceus’s type plates, with the plates being the source of where Pokémon powers originated from in the first place.
With Pokémon powers originating from Arceus’s plates and all of creation being an aspect of the legend plate, this should also strongly support the notion that Arceus’s abilities scales to his dimension when “all creation” should of course take Arceus’s own dimension into account as well with the rest of the Pokémon Cosmology. In other words, Arceus’s dimension being an aspect of the legend plate like the rest of the cosmology helps to establish Pokémon powers and Arceus’s own dimension having a correlation.
Going even deeper, with the most important part of the evidence I have here that ties everything together, there’s supporting feats with Arceus actually affecting his own dimension as well.
Jewel of Life
This case should get even stronger if we use Jewel of Life and other anime details as more additional evidence for the argument.
While sleeping inside of it, Arceus explicitly effects his own dimension by not only shaking it, but also distorting it with space-time distortions with the energy he gave off (and that was Weakened Arceus with him missing plates at that)
His Avatar reabsorbs the energy given off to distort his dimension
Same thing happens in the manga version of Jewel of Life (and let the record reflect, Sheena here even calls it dimensional energy)
The back of the DVD box for Jewel of Life even cites that Arceus was going to “devastate all existence” across multiple dimensions
Those dimensions obviously including his own and the Creation Trios.
Now, his energy being able to effect his own dimension is an important detail that helps us, because we know that Arceus’s own power is related to the type plates his Avatar wields. The plates being where all Pokémon powers in the verse originate from.
And we know the plates are associated with Arceus’s own energy since:
The Jewel of Life, which Arceus’s power flows out of to fertilize the land of Michina Town, is literally made up of 5 of his plates combined
3 of Arceus’s plates were used by Ghris in Clash of Ages, as 3 great abundant forces of nature, to create Hoopa's Prison Bottle
Arceus’s Flame Plate was used in an attempt by Team Galactic to release energy to not only affect space-time to continue their plans of making a new world, but the released energy from the plate created Heatrans new form to cause it to go berserk.
So, henceforth, we know Arceus’s plates wield power that would be his own since they're aspects of him, and with his power being capable of effecting his own dimension to such a casual degree, his powers would have a direct correlation with his dimension.
So, to recap on what we know here:
-We know Arceus can have battles against us inside his dimension with himself and other Pokémon, including the creation trio; we know Pokémon powers, some of which have effects such as effecting space-time like the Creation Trios abilities do, can operate inside Arceus’s realm.
-We know Arceus possesses all of creations essence as an aspect of himself with his plates, where all Pokémon powers in the first place originate from, and all of creation would include his own dimension too
-We know Arceus can, and has casually and blatantly demonstrated, effect his own dimension with distortions made by his power; power, aka “dimensional energy”, that he can reabsorb as well.
-We know there’s a relationship between Arceus’s plates and his power, as things like the Jewel of Life, the Prison Bottle, and Heatrans berserker form displayed to us
Taking all of these details and evidences into account, the result at the end of the day, should be, that Arceus’s abilities scale to his dimensionality, and are thus Low 1-C.
And without further a due, let’s discuss
Staff Agreement (3): @Maverick_Zero_X , @CloverDragon03, @Psychomaster35
Staff Disagreement (1): @DontTalkDT
Agree (17): @Thelastmlg, @ActuallySpaceMan, @JooCipher, @Yemma670, @Pikaman, @Arceus0x, @Zencha9, @Purmeenant, @The_Pink_God, @Deceived, @Tago238, @ZetaMarishi, @Zeifyl, @Ego, @y3p_owo, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @theultimate5105
Neutral:
Disagree:
Recently, Arceus was upgraded to Low 1-C in this thread. However, his hax hasn’t been given the same treatment due to not having sufficient justifications for why his abilities would scale to his dimensionality and be considered Low 1-C. Until now that is. Giving an actual argument on why the hax should scale, the answers I have are actually pretty simple. First things first, here’s something referenced in the thread where Arceus got upgraded to Low 1-C in the first place. The Eternal Battle Reviere.
Eternal Battle Reviere
Basically, as I mentioned in the earlier Low 1-C thread, this is a game mode in Legends Arceus where Arceus summons you again to its realm to challenge you in fights. You can fight anything from wild Pokémon to even using your own Arceus against “Arceus’ Arceus”, and it showcased even multiple versions of the Creation Trio existing at the same time, confirming completely that they use avatars to interact with the multiverse. This was even said in the game itself, where Arceus has given to the MC a part of itself as a reward for completing the mission Arceus has originally gave to them when it “isekai’d” them to Hisui, and the dex’s requirement to complete Arceus’ page (here's the clip where I took the screenshot) just repeats this even more.
The important point here from this to focus on is the fact, that, since Arceus is able to bring you to his dimension to have battles against you with “his own Arceus”, and throws against us anything from wild Pokémon to the Creation Trio to battle against inside his dimension too, that means that Arceus’s powers, and Pokémon powers, are able to be used and operate inside his dimension, which is accepted as a 5-D realm as of now.
This should be helpful evidence to help suffice the idea that Arceus’s hax scales to his dimensionality since he’s bringing you to his dimension to battle against him, and the moves used by his avatars, the Creation Trio and otherwise, can work inside his dimension. And we all know the kind of moves the former 3’s attacks and moves have that can effect things like time and space, such as Roar of Time and Spatial Rend.
Of course, fighting inside his dimension isn’t all there is here, as better evidence is coming on top of this next.
The Legend Plate
In addition to the above about his dimeneion, Legends also gives us something called the Legend Plate, where this inscription is stated on the plate itself:
“From all creations, over all creations, does the Original One watch over all."
And here, the important part, is the description of what the plate is:
“A stone tablet imbued with the essence of all creation. When used on a certain Pokémon, it allows that Pokémon to gain the power of every type there is.”
It’s as said. The Legend Plate outright states that all of creation's essence is imbued into it, granting the powers of all Pokémon types. This is important, because we all already know the relationship between that of all Pokémon powers and types, and Arceus’s type plates, with the plates being the source of where Pokémon powers originated from in the first place.
With Pokémon powers originating from Arceus’s plates and all of creation being an aspect of the legend plate, this should also strongly support the notion that Arceus’s abilities scales to his dimension when “all creation” should of course take Arceus’s own dimension into account as well with the rest of the Pokémon Cosmology. In other words, Arceus’s dimension being an aspect of the legend plate like the rest of the cosmology helps to establish Pokémon powers and Arceus’s own dimension having a correlation.
Going even deeper, with the most important part of the evidence I have here that ties everything together, there’s supporting feats with Arceus actually affecting his own dimension as well.
Jewel of Life
This case should get even stronger if we use Jewel of Life and other anime details as more additional evidence for the argument.
While sleeping inside of it, Arceus explicitly effects his own dimension by not only shaking it, but also distorting it with space-time distortions with the energy he gave off (and that was Weakened Arceus with him missing plates at that)
His Avatar reabsorbs the energy given off to distort his dimension
Same thing happens in the manga version of Jewel of Life (and let the record reflect, Sheena here even calls it dimensional energy)
The back of the DVD box for Jewel of Life even cites that Arceus was going to “devastate all existence” across multiple dimensions
Those dimensions obviously including his own and the Creation Trios.
Now, his energy being able to effect his own dimension is an important detail that helps us, because we know that Arceus’s own power is related to the type plates his Avatar wields. The plates being where all Pokémon powers in the verse originate from.
And we know the plates are associated with Arceus’s own energy since:
The Jewel of Life, which Arceus’s power flows out of to fertilize the land of Michina Town, is literally made up of 5 of his plates combined
3 of Arceus’s plates were used by Ghris in Clash of Ages, as 3 great abundant forces of nature, to create Hoopa's Prison Bottle
Arceus’s Flame Plate was used in an attempt by Team Galactic to release energy to not only affect space-time to continue their plans of making a new world, but the released energy from the plate created Heatrans new form to cause it to go berserk.
So, henceforth, we know Arceus’s plates wield power that would be his own since they're aspects of him, and with his power being capable of effecting his own dimension to such a casual degree, his powers would have a direct correlation with his dimension.
So, to recap on what we know here:
-We know Arceus can have battles against us inside his dimension with himself and other Pokémon, including the creation trio; we know Pokémon powers, some of which have effects such as effecting space-time like the Creation Trios abilities do, can operate inside Arceus’s realm.
-We know Arceus possesses all of creations essence as an aspect of himself with his plates, where all Pokémon powers in the first place originate from, and all of creation would include his own dimension too
-We know Arceus can, and has casually and blatantly demonstrated, effect his own dimension with distortions made by his power; power, aka “dimensional energy”, that he can reabsorb as well.
-We know there’s a relationship between Arceus’s plates and his power, as things like the Jewel of Life, the Prison Bottle, and Heatrans berserker form displayed to us
Taking all of these details and evidences into account, the result at the end of the day, should be, that Arceus’s abilities scale to his dimensionality, and are thus Low 1-C.
And without further a due, let’s discuss
Staff Agreement (3): @Maverick_Zero_X , @CloverDragon03, @Psychomaster35
Staff Disagreement (1): @DontTalkDT
Agree (17): @Thelastmlg, @ActuallySpaceMan, @JooCipher, @Yemma670, @Pikaman, @Arceus0x, @Zencha9, @Purmeenant, @The_Pink_God, @Deceived, @Tago238, @ZetaMarishi, @Zeifyl, @Ego, @y3p_owo, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @theultimate5105
Neutral:
Disagree:
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