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But, in narratives characters are controled by the plot tho.......
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Arale upgrade symposium 💩
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Actually we are assuming it's not under her control, the plot passively acts on it's own self to protect arale. that's what I have gathered from these arguments.
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Yeah. But it's still an assumption that Arale was controling the plot in that instance.
"the plot passively acts on it's own self to protect arale" this would be the assumption. But let's just get others opinions for now.
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I think there was doc here somewhere That had most stuff, and I think it's open? Can't we just put all the abilities that we gathered, dump them there and have the staff evaluate them, without having to scroll the massive wall of texts.
Here is it. I urge anyone who is participating in the thread to pull the abilities in this doc, so can our staff members evaluate them properly. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Stefano4444/Arale_Norimaki_(Stefano4444)
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Ant lolol
You arrived too early
Me and others still have more abilities that we are gonna post later
We were gonna call you when everything was on the table
Never the less
Glad your hear
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You don't need to control a ability to have it, there are plenty of characters that can trigger an ability just by their presence, and some are not even aware of it.
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Dont weary
After we are done with everything
Ill make a list of everything for you and other staff members to run through
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I'm no expert but wasn't that stomach ache triggered by the most delicious food or whatever?
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Yeah, but it's triggered by a comedic effect/ Gag stuff, the way Beerus left the Earth quickly after it, was meant to be funny/ ridiculous. He acted in a Gag way, and ridiculous situation saved Arale from being erased by Beerus. And thus the plot saved Arale in a comedic manner.
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That seems like quite the assumption. You realise that humor and toon force are very different things right? I don't see why we're assuming the latter when there's a given somewhat reasonable explanation for his stomach ache, funny as it might be.
I'll see what other staff have to say. This isn't really my forte.
I'll see what other staff have to say. This isn't really my forte.
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Exactly, and the entire episodie is a Gag. And the protagonist of the episodie was Arale, the way Arale was saved by the plot in a comedic manner proves it. Gag means comedic effects. Gag/Toon is the same, heck we call Arale a Gag character. The explanations are also part of the Gag, Gag entails pretty much ridiculous/absurd/funny things, we can use Gag for sentences, for example.
There are many characters with Passive plot manipulation. You just don't need to be aware of have full control of the ability to have it.
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The main issue here is that we are trying to debate if Arale has passive plot manipulation
The point some are trying to argue is that plot manipulation affected Beerus and that the plot essentially acted up on its own in order to save arale from Beerus in comedic fashion no less
The point others are trying to argue is that the plot acting up and affecting Beerus was not INTENTIONALLY arale's doing but rather something seemingly out of her control
(Which could still give her passive plot hax cause many characters have things like plot and fate acting up to save them without the user intentionally doing it or aware of it)
Beerus ate the candy and was fine but SOMEHOW started getting a stomach ache as soon as he targeted Arale
And Arale was SAVED from Beerus by his stomach suddenly acting up and retreating and all in a comedic gag effect/manner
Which ordinarely you wouldnt see this happening like at all
There are two interpretations for this
1. The plot decided to act up in a comedic gag manner in order to protect Arale forcing Beerus to flee. This could be a result of a passive plot manipulation where comedic stuff will just always happen to protect Arale from danger
2. Beerus had indigestion
(though the fact it didnt act immediately and ONLY when beerus targets arale is off putting to say the least not to mention given the SUDDEN comedic nature of beerus reaction and consequent retreat, it leaves room to say that some gag element did had to do with it)
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Again, this is different. This is just a joke and Bulma also comments on it how he couldn't digest it. This isn't plot hax
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Gag means absurd/ilogical stuff, and is not coincidence, the entire point of Gag thing is ridiculous situations, and the situation was ridiculous itself. Otherwise, you would be giving Beerus resistance to Plot manip, and more crazy Hax that he hasn't shown to resist......
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Not every ridiculous situation is a gag. It can be comedic but it takes more than a funny coincidence to count as legitimate toon force or manipulation at work.
It's not even random or illogical. He ate a food that acted up at an inopportune moment. That's really it. We don't label everything funny as a gag when we have no reason to assume so.
It's not even random or illogical. He ate a food that acted up at an inopportune moment. That's really it. We don't label everything funny as a gag when we have no reason to assume so.
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From Google:
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"Comic effect punch in a movie, stage performance, TV show, etc"
Otherwise, you would be giving Beerus resistance to Hax like Plot manip, which is part of Arale's Toon force.
But as we know, Beerus wasn't saved from the plot when he was about to kill Arale. The plot didn't let him to.
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I think we should focus on the abilities and leave this paragraph aside.
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Yeah
Ill post more later today
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The plot just acted in a gag manner to save her from a dreadful fate. Not in a serious one. Inducing a stomach ache on Beerus to make Arale avoid danger. Yet I have to see a counter to this. If the OP says that Arale has plot manipulation, then it won't be weird if she could have a passive one.
The plot saved her in a ridiculous manner, that's all. That's why sometimes we say that X characters are saved by plot armour, yet we don't give them outright Passive plot Hax, simply becouse they were saved in a generic/serious manner, but Arale's case is special, she is a Toon character and the writer didn't want her to die, expressing it in a comical way, so that gives her passive defensive plot armour.
The plot just acted in a gag manner to save her from a dreadful fate. Not in a serious one. Inducing a stomach ache on Beerus to make Arale avoid danger. Yet I have to see a counter to this. If the OP says that Arale has plot manipulation, then it won't be weird if she could have a passive one.
The plot saved her in a ridiculous manner, that's all. That's why sometimes we say that X characters are saved by plot armour, yet we don't give them outright Passive plot Hax, simply becouse they were saved in a generic/serious manner, but Arale's case is special, she is a Toon character and the writer didn't want her to die, expressing it in a comical way, so that gives her passive defensive plot armour.
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Sigh 
.....,nevermind, guess I have to agree with him too, anyways... good debate lads.
.....,nevermind, guess I have to agree with him too, anyways... good debate lads.
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I am a man of many sides, after all...
i don't know how to finish my amazing quote actually-
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Do you still disagree with the Absolute Chad Beerus' ResistanceSigh
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So yall are fine with this resistance, right?
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Nah, I'm not fine with it, I'm sick-
Jk jk, yup it checks out.
Holy moly arale is busted
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No Bro, but I'm really iffy on giving him resistence to plot Hax.
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We're not gonna give him resistance to plot hax, don't worry.
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She went from alright to Absoulte Chad Arale : Destroyer of verses
All we have to do is just have the Resistance to ToonForce then people can interpret from there. imo
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Yeah I know mate, and I agree with the Toon force resistance for Beerus now (N̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶̶c̶h̶o̶i̶c̶e̶), but I still don't see right, people thinking/interpreting that Beerus resists plot manipulation when he hasn't
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She's getting more haxed, believe it!
Quick question, she was able to exist even when plot itslef doesn't exist, does ot grant anything besides plot resistance?
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One of the abilities ss3micah's is going recommended I'm pretty sure is Type 4 acausality. Due to her doing that and some of the other examples.
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Oh , yeah, I'm aware of That.
Aca5 for arale because she exists outside of plot, which houses causality and fate on an aca4 level, and you are going to be convinced because i said so.
but seriously , I thought existence even if plot is destroyed could give some sort of NEP or something like that.
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Idk tbh. But she probably 'exist' just not in the narrative.
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NEP type 1 for Arale, Let's goooo!!!
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Wait, there even more abilities to add?! The profile its already extra thicc for how many things have been added.
Unless those are new abilities, i don't think its necessary to add all instances of Toon Force/Plot Manipulation/Logic Manipulation in the series.
Unless those are new abilities, i don't think its necessary to add all instances of Toon Force/Plot Manipulation/Logic Manipulation in the series.
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