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How can she touch Aokiji?esdeath one shots both of them
Kuzan regenerates and freezes her.esdeath one shots both of them
That's not how it works.Ice Devil Slayer so it’s the good ol Logia vs Dragon Slayer song and dance all over again.
How so? Gray literally eats ice and has multiple layers of resistance to ice. This is the same shit as Natsu vs Ace.That's not how it works.
Not the Dragon slayer>Logia user misconception again. Don't tell me you believe the nonsense Deathbattle tells you?How so? Gray literally eats ice and has multiple layers of resistance to ice. This is the same shit as Natsu vs Ace.
Except he doesn't harm Aokiji's real body. Again, Elemental intangibility and Regen (only in his Logia form). You are ignoring the fact that Aokiji can use Bosushoku haki and literally has the massive AP advantage. I really hope you are not telling me that a 6-C can beat a 6-B.Aokiji turning into ice is his issue. Gray consumes ice and automatically turns it into energy. See Silver eating Gray’s ice by just placing his teeth against it and the ice construct turned into energy and flowed into his mouth. Silver literally gave Gray his own Ice Devil Slayer Magic so Gray has to scale to this. Gray resists everything Aokiji can do, can amp to whatever tier if need be and then just eat Aokiji.
They can, yeah.6-C can beat a 6-B.
Except, he doesn't have Durability Negation. I was merely referring to an AP fight.They can, yeah.
not saying that this is the case here, but they can
hater.himself getting eating by a stripper who eats Ice?
it should work in aokiji, as his regeneration is only high-mid, Gray absorbs and turns into energy, which is far deeper than what Mid-High can deal, not saying that he will be able to use it against Aokiji due Advanced Haki, Precog etc etc, Aokiji stompsEating doesn't hurt their real body. Luffy literally tried to eat Crocodile and see what happens, Crocodile told him to stop waste his time (Because it's consistently and constantly stated such methods never worked on Logias, otherwise Luffy would've eaten Aokiji and Crocodile aka Cannibalisms.
I hope you are not under the misapprehension that Aokiji, who has Advanced Observation Haki: Future Sight, true Precognition, Enhanced senses, Emotion senses, Danger senses and literally half of other insane sense abilities let himself getting eating by a stripper who eats Ice? The AP advantage literally allows him to one shoot Gray at any moment, surprisingly, Aokiji has other methods (Punch, Kick and Sword).
Do i need to list off more things?
- Aokiji is more experienced than Gray.
- Massive AP advantage.
- Advanced Kenbunshoku haki is pretty much self-explanatory.
- Massive Range advantage.
- Elemental Intangibility and Regen that Gray can't possibly hope to overcome it.
- Master Hand-to-hand combatant, you can bet he would Skill stomp both Luffy and Zoro. Surely, you have seen how skilled Zoro is, and that Zoro is more skilled than Erza.
Small nitpick; Elemental intangibility is still a thing, their regen is only in their Logia form so it most likely wouldn't work.it should work in aokiji, as his regeneration is only high-mid, Gray absorbs and turns into energy, which is far deeper than what Mid-High can deal, not saying that he will be able to use it against Aokiji due Advanced Haki, Precog etc etc, Aokiji stomps
Gray can absorb ice, turning into energy, it should work against aokiji elemental intagibility, as his elemental intangibility is due being made of ice, regardless, aokiji stompsSmall nitpick; Elemental intangibility is still a thing, their regen is only in their Logia form so it most likely wouldn't work.
And the ice that his body has become is now gone. Gray will have turned it into ethernano and slurped it up like a slushy. He isn’t coming back when the very thing his body was turned into just got transmuted into energy.Except he doesn't harm Aokiji's real body. Again, Elemental intangibility and Regen (only in his Logia form).
First off, stats aren’t everything? I really shouldn’t have to point that out so I dunno why you are bringing it up in the first place. Secondly, Aokiji doesn’t lead with Armament, he leads with ice. Ice which Gray eats and makes him 6-B too. Hell, the only time I can find Aokiji using Armament is to stop the quakes with Akainu and Kizaru so why exactly would he use it against Gray?You are ignoring the fact that Aokiji can use Bosushoku haki and literally has the massive AP advantage. I really hope you are not telling me that a 6-C can beat a 6-B.
Because Luffy transmutes what he eats into energy?Eating doesn't hurt their real body. Luffy literally tried to eat Crocodile and see what happens, Crocodile told him to stop waste his time (Because it's consistently and constantly stated such methods never worked on Logias, otherwise Luffy would've eaten Aokiji and Crocodile aka Cannibalisms.
Which he doesn’t lead with.I hope you are not under the misapprehension that Aokiji, who has Advanced Observation Haki: Future Sight, true Precognition, Enhanced senses, Emotion senses, Danger senses and literally half of other insane sense abilities let himself getting eating by a stripper who eats Ice? The AP advantage literally allows him to one shoot Gray at any moment, surprisingly, Aokiji has other methods (Punch, Kick and Sword).
Doesn’t matter
- Aokiji is more experienced than Gray.
Immediately negated by the fact that Aokiji will use ice on Gray which now makes them = in AP
- Massive AP advantage.
Finally, something that matters. Gray just freezes everything for kilometres including Aokiji with his ice that can freeze ice.
- Advanced Kenbunshoku haki is pretty much self-explanatory.
Range with ice that Gray resists and eats.
- Massive Range advantage.
Except by, ya know, transmuting him into energy by biting him. Nom ftw.
- Elemental Intangibility and Regen that Gray can't possibly hope to overcome it.
Dunno why I would agree to any of this. You’d need to bring statements saying he is more skilled than those two because him stomping them is just him being stronger than them. I have never seen Zoro do a skilled thing in my life. I don’t watch or read OP. The few fights involving Zoro that I watched with my friends is just Zoro cutting though bigger or harder shit. That’s not skill, that’s AP.
- Master Hand-to-hand combatant, you can bet he would Skill stomp both Luffy and Zoro. Surely, you have seen how skilled Zoro is, and that Zoro is more skilled than Erza.
You really do because the reasons listed are dogshit besides Observation.Do i need to list off more things?
What, Ice specifically? You know that Aokiji can create ice out of nowhere, more accurately almost every Logia user can generate substances with near-infinite amount of a certain element and control it? In their logia form as long as you are not affecting the real body via Hax or elemental advantage it doesn't matter what you are doing to their Logia body.And the ice that his body has become is now gone. Gray will have turned it into ethernano and slurped it up like a slushy. He isn’t coming back when the very thing his body was turned into just got transmuted into energy.
Every High-Tier and God-Tier lead with Busoshoku Haki. Now you are blatantly lying. Haki wasn't always visualized as "Black". After the Time-skip Oda made it clear who's using Busoshoku Haki or not. Even then Invisible Busoshoku Haki is still a thing, even Sanji who's not confirmed to have "Koka" can touch Logia users via Busoshoku Haki so honestly where did you get the idea that he doesn't lead with it?First off, stats aren’t everything? I really shouldn’t have to point that out so I dunno why you are bringing it up in the first place. Secondly, Aokiji doesn’t lead with Armament, he leads with ice. Ice which Gray eats and makes him 6-B too. Hell, the only time I can find Aokiji using Armament is to stop the quakes with Akainu and Kizaru so why exactly would he use it against Gray?
Except that matters a lot. Aokiji is a veteran and with vast amount of experience in battles and wars. When he sees his opponent can resist Ice, why should he keep spamming Ice when punching via coating his hand with Busoshoku Haki is much more plausible. Aokiji isn't an amateur or a Rookie, he knows better than anyone relying way too much on his Devil fruit or Logia intangibility in the New world is essentially digging a grave.Doesn’t matter
Since when does Gray get 20x buff? Eating Ice is an unquantifiable buff. Can you kindly please send me a source or scan. Otherwise you are just making up things.Immediately negated by the fact that Aokiji will use ice on Gray which now makes them = in AP
Except Speed is equalized and Aokiji's ice is mixed with Busoshoku Haki makes it more potent than before and can negate durability (limited).Range with ice that Gray resists and eats.
Again, the user's real body doesn't take any damage, and any effect of the attack on the user's elemental form is superficial and the body can be reformed wirh no issues.Except by, ya know, transmuting him into energy by biting him. Nom ftw.
"Zoro hasn't done anything skilled" now that's a blatant lie. If you want I can send you a link to the threads, detailed explained on how skilled Zoro really is. Also if we are going by Character profiles, Gray who doesn't even have "expert" on his profile can never beat someone who has "master" on his profile. Meaning Aokiji skill stomps Gray.Dunno why I would agree to any of this. You’d need to bring statements saying he is more skilled than those two because him stomping them is just him being stronger than them. I have never seen Zoro do a skilled thing in my life. I don’t watch or read OP. The few fights involving Zoro that I watched with my friends is just Zoro cutting though bigger or harder shit. That’s not skill, that’s AP.
"Dogshit" except your only arguments why Gray wins are an unquantifiable buff through Aokiji's uncharacteristically spamming ice for 2 hours to make it happen, despite knowing he can absorb and AP & Skill suddenly doesn't matter for some reasons, despite said character doesn't have durability negation on his profile.You really do because the reasons listed are dogshit besides Observation.
Every High-Tier and God-Tier lead with Busoshoku Haki. Now you are blatantly lying. Haki wasn't always visualized as "Black". After the Time-skip Oda made it clear who's using Busoshoku Haki or not. Even then Invisible Busoshoku Haki is still a thing, even Sanji who's not confirmed to have "Koka" can touch Logia users via Busoshoku Haki so honestly where did you get the idea that he doesn't lead with it?
I don’t watch or read OP.
The ice he turns his body into. Quit being purposefully ignorant when you know exactly what ice I am talking about.What, Ice specifically? You know that Aokiji can create ice out of nowhere, more accurately almost every Logia user can generate substances with near-infinite amount of a certain element and control it? In their logia form as long as you are not affecting the real body via Hax or elemental advantage it doesn't matter what you are doing to their Logia body.
Maybe you missed the part where I told you that I have never read nor watched OP? I literally can’t be lying when all I can go off of is what I have seen and know and what I know is that Armament makes shit black or we get told it’s being used at the time. You are the one who actually has to prove he uses it from the get go.Every High-Tier and God-Tier lead with Busoshoku Haki. Now you are blatantly lying. Haki wasn't always visualized as "Black". After the Time-skip Oda made it clear who's using Busoshoku Haki or not. Even then Invisible Busoshoku Haki is still a thing, even Sanji who's not confirmed to have "Koka" can touch Logia users via Busoshoku Haki so honestly where did you get the idea that he doesn't lead with it?
Vast experience of body checking people weaker than you doesn’t mean shit. Gray has that too but I don’t bring it up because it doesn’t matter. I’m not calling Aokiji a moron here but Gray needs to eat it once to amp to Aokiji’s tier. That first time is all that’s needed.Except that matters a lot. Aokiji is a veteran and with vast amount of experience in battles and wars. When he sees his opponent can resist Ice, why should he keep spamming Ice when punching via coating his hand with Busoshoku Haki is much more plausible. Aokiji isn't an amateur or a Rookie, he knows better than anyone relying way too much on his Devil fruit or Logia intangibility in the New world is essentially digging a grave.
It’s literally how consuming magic works. You get that level of magic, you can now swing above that level since the energy gained is added to your own.Since when does Gray get 20x buff? Eating Ice is an unquantifiable buff. Can you kindly please send me a source or scan. Otherwise you are just making up things.
And I’m all for seeing scans that Aokiji leads with ice imbued with Armament.Except Speed is equalized and Aokiji's ice is mixed with Busoshoku Haki makes it more potent than before and can negate durability (limited).
Reformed from what? It’s definitely not ice since that was all absorbed.Again, the user's real body doesn't take any damage, and any effect of the attack on the user's elemental form is superficial and the body can be reformed wirh no issues.
See above. I already dropped a disclaimer on this."Zoro hasn't done anything skilled" now that's a blatant lie. If you want I can send you a link to the threads, detailed explained on how skilled Zoro really is. Also if we are going by Character profiles, Gray who doesn't even have "expert" on his profile can never beat someone who has "master" on his profile. Meaning Aokiji skill stomps Gray.
My arguments being good or bad don’t matter as to whether your own are. Yours are bad because they rely on ignoring the fact that Gray can nom and Aokiji literally can’t come back from it, range that only applies to the thing that Gray resists and absorbs, claims of Aokiji doing something as a starting move when the visual cue of said ability is not present and statements of the invisible version not being given afaik (feel free to correct me), bringing up experience when his experience is of being massively above basically everything besides a handful of people, claims of being more skilled than people who I have already admitted to not knowing how skilled they are and trying to scale those guys > above Erza who I do know the skill of. I think you can forgive me for not agreeing to X < Y when X is a known factor to me whereas Y isn’t."Dogshit" except your only arguments why Gray wins are an unquantifiable buff through Aokiji's uncharacteristically spamming ice for 2 hours to make it happen, despite knowing he can absorb and AP & Skill suddenly doesn't matter for some reasons, despite said character doesn't have durability negation on his profile.
What exactly do you mean by that? Allow me to explain you on how Logia works. They are still in the end "Humans". in Aokiji's case he's an Ice human. In other words, Aokiji's not passively made of ice (He can still bleed like a normal human and without freezing his own house), more specifically Logia user's body will always turn to their elemental form if they are attacked (automatic). Furthermore, Aokiji is twice bigger than Gray, eating him is nearly impossible especially the fact he's still a living being, so the whole absorption wouldn't work. To make it more clear, as long as Aokiji's soul isn't affected by Gray eating him (aka real body), he won't die nor absorbed.The ice he turns his body into. Quit being purposefully ignorant when you know exactly what ice I am talking about.
Good lord. I get it that you haven't watched nor read OP, but that doesn't mean you can completely ignore the point i was trying to make. I'm going copypast an explanation from an One piece databook server. Level 1: Invisible Armament - Weak application of Armament that surrounds the body, enhancing it's offensive and defensive capabilities. Margarite and like every single woman in Amazone Lilly can infuse arrows with their Haki,this was consistently and constantly shown when they chased after Luffy with bows. Hancock infuses Pistole Kiss with her Busoshoku haki, you may be thinking why is that special? because normally a bullet would've bounced off him like this. However, if Hancock didn't infuse haki with her DF, the bullet would never have went straight through Luffy's body, ultimately resulting in him being caught by her. Aokiji and every Vice admiral are naturally always, a big emphasis on "always" infusing haki with their DF, even in the Ace novel, Ace fought against a vice admiral in Sabaody, he leads with Busoshoku haki because (increasing strength and durability) even in the latter Tachigi and Smoker consistently using haki against pretty much every enemy they come across. Invisible Armament is the weakest among Busoshoku levels - Sanji's "current max" level, understood?.Maybe you missed the part where I told you that I have never read nor watched OP? I literally can’t be lying when all I can go off of is what I have seen and know and what I know is that Armament makes shit black or we get told it’s being used at the time. You are the one who actually has to prove he uses it from the get go.
None of your examples justifies such a big buff. I specifically asked you to provide scans and accepted multiplier calculations. Again proof eating Ice makes you 6-B or concede that it's just an unquantifiable buff.x20 is nothing to the amp Slayers can get from eating an element when 6-Cs hit High 6-A if the element they absorb is strong enough.
Refuted above.Reformed from what? It’s definitely not ice since that was all absorbed.
Refuted Above.See above. I already dropped a disclaimer on this.
Except, Aokiji can one shoot Gray with a normal punch or a kick, Gray's resistances are completely irrelevant here. Both are AP and Ice fighters, Aokiji scales massively above to what Gray scales to AP-wise and Durability-wise. Aokiji can shapeshift his body to prevent getting attacked when using his Haki. What's Gray honestly going to do against someone who can see all his actions and options happening in the future several seconds ahead and just casually moves out of the way, kick or punch him and pretty much ends the fight. Gets hit with what? Gray doesn't have the skill nor intelligence advantage to pull that off, Aokiji can easily dodge everything he throws at him and only needs his fist to end the fight. That's not so hard to understand, right? Gray who has no prior knowledge of Aokiji's abilities and on top of that has nothing to bypass his Precognition, Skills, Future sight, Body control and other things. How exactly is that an Incon? it's a stomp in Aokiji's favor.My arguments being good or bad don’t matter as to whether your own are. Yours are bad because they rely on ignoring the fact that Gray can nom and Aokiji literally can’t come back from it, range that only applies to the thing that Gray resists and absorbs, claims of Aokiji doing something as a starting move when the visual cue of said ability is not present and statements of the invisible version not being given afaik (feel free to correct me), bringing up experience when his experience is of being massively above basically everything besides a handful of people, claims of being more skilled than people who I have already admitted to not knowing how skilled they are and trying to scale those guys > above Erza who I do know the skill of. I think you can forgive me for not agreeing to X < Y when X is a known factor to me whereas Y isn’t.
Can you finally send me the scan of the infamous 20-40x buff? "Gray also takes control of the ice from people who are both stronger than him and have superior ice to him" except that doesn't make any sense in the slightest, also that's a no limit fallacy, the gap between Gray and Aokiji is massive, you are telling me that Gray can also take control of Iceman's ice just because Gray did that to someone and no it's no strawman because it's literally what it is a no limit fallacy (hence why you should have been more specific).Also, Gray doesn’t need to absorb it for two hours, he just needs to eat it once. Gray also takes control of the ice from people who are both stronger than him and have superior ice to him. If need be, he just uses Lost Aspect which amps his spell several hundred times over and seals Aokiji with Lost Iced Shell for an incon.