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Another The Boys Upgrade

RanaProGamer said:
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Sorry m8
 
Aight, at 200 messages, I think this would be my summary.

9-C: The Boys (Butcher, M.M, Frenchie, Hughie)

9-B: Translucent, The Deep, V-Amped Hughie

At least 9-B, likely 9-A: A-Train, Black Noir, Starlight, Kimiko, Kenji

9-A: Stormfront, S1 and S2 Queen Maeve

8-B: Homelander, S3 Queen Maeve, V-Amped Butcher, Soldier Boy, Ryan and Starlight via Absorption
 
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RanaProGamer said:
Aight, at 200 messages, I think this would be my summary.

9-C: The Boys (Butcher, M.M, Frenchie, Hughie)

9-B: Translucent, The Deep, V-Amped Hughie

At least 9-B, likely 9-A: A-Train, Black Noir, Starlight, Kimiko, Kenji

9-A: Stormfront, S1 and S2 Queen Maeve

8-B: Homelander, S3 Queen Maeve, V-Amped Butcher, Soldier Boy, Ryan
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Season 3 Maeve?
 
I don't know about wall level Deep when A-Train was down to the point using his powers at all almost killed him. You can say he survived V amped Hughie's punch, but those punches hurt Homelander so it would be a scaling conundrum.
 
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Cropfist said:
I don't know about wall level Deep when A-Train was down to the point using his powers at all almost killed him. You can say he survived V amped Hughie's punch, but those punches hurt Soldier Boy, so it would be a scaling conundrum.
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When did V amp Hughie hurt Soldier Boy?
 
RanaProGamer said:
I think that's why the Soldier Boy's blast discussion is going on. But I think she likely scales to 8-B, or At most 8-B.
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I'll say she scale to the feat because she made him bleed, when the explosion scratched him at best.
Though I was thinking Butcher should be "At most 8-B, higher with Heat Vision".

I'll just past from the sandbox lol:
At most '''City Block level''' (Traded blows with and somewhat hurt [[Homelander (TV Series)|Homelander]] and [[Soldier Boy (TV Series)|Soldier Boy]], but he couldn't defeat them on his own), '''higher''' with Heat Vision ([ Somewhat matched] [[Homelander (TV Series)|Homelander]]'s Heat Vision with his own, albeit with considerable effort. [[Soldier Boy (TV Series)|Soldier Boy]] [ struggled to resist being pushed by it], and later it left an scar on his face)
 
RanaProGamer said:
9-B: Translucent, The Deep, V-Amped Hughie
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Translucent's and Deep's AP would be 9-C, the first scaling from Butcher, the other from easily defeating two thugs.
In another comment I explained why Hughie should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A"
RanaProGamer said:
At least 9-B, likely 9-A: A-Train, Black Noir, Starlight, Kimiko, Kenji

9-A: Stormfront, S1 and S2 Queen Maeve
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Since the AP page explains:
"Likely: Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be favourable. This term should be used sparingly."
And both Kimiko and Annie hurt Stormfront, shouldn't they (and those that fought them) be straight up 9-A scaling from Maeve?

Or Maeve should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" since her scaling is based on an statement?
 
CharlesZaGreat said:
The Deep cracked a wall by tackling A-Train into it. He even traded blows with A-Train after the latter harmed him (Even if it was a punch to the gills)
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He didn't do much damage to the wall, and the wall was made out of wood.
Also, the Deep scaling to A-Train is weird.
Even if we nerfed A-Train and say he only scales from Hughie's punch, it still doesn't make sense with what was shown. Deep, while much stronger, didn't do much damage to the thugs, whereas Hughie punched clean through a guy somewhat accidentally.
 
Just_Butchering said:
He didn't do much damage to the wall, and the wall was made out of wood.
Also, the Deep scaling to A-Train is weird.
Even if we nerfed A-Train and say he only scales from Hughie's punch, it still doesn't make sense with what was shown. Deep, while much stronger, didn't do much damage to the thugs, whereas Hughie punched clean through a guy somewhat accidentally.
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But was the deep going all out with his punches?
 
Just_Butchering said:
Translucent's and Deep's AP would be 9-C, the first scaling from Butcher, the other from easily defeating two thugs.
In another comment I explained why Hughie should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A"
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I thought Butcher scaling to Translucent was deemed an outlier in the other thread, hence 9-C for Butcher but Translucent stays 9-B. Again, I think the Deep harming A-Train should be 9-B since we accept Hughie as having At least 9-B rating. The same A-Train that was incapacitated from the Deep's tackle was the same A-Train that took a punch from a pissed Hughie.
Just_Butchering said:
Since the AP page explains:
"Likely: Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be favourable. This term should be used sparingly."
And both Kimiko and Annie hurt Stormfront, shouldn't they (and those that fought them) be straight up 9-A scaling from Maeve?

Or Maeve should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" since her scaling is based on an statement?
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I think we can nuke the "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" altogether. Kimiko and Annie can harm Starlight who is 9-A, and Black Noir can bully both Kimiko and Annie. And of course, Kenji can harm Kimiko. And the Black Noir has dominated Kimiko in a fight. Seems consitent.
 
RanaProGamer said:
I thought Butcher scaling to Translucent was deemed an outlier in the other thread, hence 9-C for Butcher but Translucent stays 9-B.
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Butcher scaling to harming Translucent is an outlier, but I also explained the thread that Translucent has no offensive feats other than hurting Hughie and Butcher, and needing weapons to finish them up, so he should have 9-C AP and At least 9-B durability.
RanaProGamer said:
Again, I think the Deep harming A-Train should be 9-B since we accept Hughie as having At least 9-B rating. The same A-Train that was incapacitated from the Deep's tackle was the same A-Train that took a punch from a pissed Hughie.
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Tbh, I wouldn't even mind scaling Deep's AP to his durability, but A-Train had to go for a punch on his weak point, so Idk how that meassures up, and without speed, A-Train best feat is overpowering the (pressumably) 9-C Blue Hawke.
RanaProGamer said:
I think we can nuke the "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" altogether. Kimiko and Annie can harm Starlight who is 9-A, and Black Noir can bully both Kimiko and Annie. And of course, Kenji can harm Kimiko. And the Black Noir has dominated Kimiko in a fight. Seems consitent.
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Annie hurting Starlight xd.
But, yeah, I think that if Maeve is 9-A, than those all that scale should be 9-A as well.

I'll be posting the sandboxes for anyone to check out on a blog later.
 
Just_Butchering said:
Butcher scaling to harming Translucent is an outlier, but I also explained the thread that Translucent has no offensive feats other than hurting Hughie and Butcher, and needing weapons to finish them up, so he should have 9-C AP and At least 9-B durability.
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Ah ok, understandable
Just_Butchering said:
Tbh, I wouldn't even mind scaling Deep's AP to his durability, but A-Train had to go for a punch on his weak point, so Idk how that meassures up, and without speed, A-Train best feat is overpowering the (pressumably) 9-C Blue Hawke.
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That makes sense
Just_Butchering said:
Annie hurting Starlight xd.
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Damn you
Just_Butchering said:
But, yeah, I think that if Maeve is 9-A, than those all that scale should be 9-A as well.
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Yeah, something we both agree on
Just_Butchering said:
I'll be posting the sandboxes for anyone to check out on a blog later.
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Sure
 
Omegas03 said:
Shouldn't ryan's durability get upgraded too or put at an possibly city block level? He withstood a soldier boy hit
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Since Ryan has very little durability feats, and was knocked out by the attack, I was thinking he could be rated as "At least Stree level (his current feats), possibly Small Building level (Since SB can easily overpower 9-A characters, but they usually remain conscious, unlike Ryan)"
 
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