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Season 3 Maeve?Aight, at 200 messages, I think this would be my summary.
9-C: The Boys (Butcher, M.M, Frenchie, Hughie)
9-B: Translucent, The Deep, V-Amped Hughie
At least 9-B, likely 9-A: A-Train, Black Noir, Starlight, Kimiko, Kenji
9-A: Stormfront, S1 and S2 Queen Maeve
8-B: Homelander, S3 Queen Maeve, V-Amped Butcher, Soldier Boy, Ryan
YeahSeason 3 Maeve?
When did V amp Hughie hurt Soldier Boy?I don't know about wall level Deep when A-Train was down to the point using his powers at all almost killed him. You can say he survived V amped Hughie's punch, but those punches hurt Soldier Boy, so it would be a scaling conundrum.
I think that's why the Soldier Boy's blast discussion is going on. But I think she likely scales to 8-B, or At most 8-B.Cause I did recently hear doubts about Maeve fully scaling to Homelander
Can't find my previous comment, but I think Hughie should scale to Annie and co, since he pushed back Homelander, whereas Annie staggered Soldier Boy and disarmed him. Also, Hughie helped to restrain Homelander, when Soldier Boy easily overpowered Annie and Kimiko.When did V amp Hughie hurt Soldier Boy?
I'll say she scale to the feat because she made him bleed, when the explosion scratched him at best.I think that's why the Soldier Boy's blast discussion is going on. But I think she likely scales to 8-B, or At most 8-B.
Based on what tho?I agree with 8-B top tiers too, and would love to argue 8-C for the middle tiers but too lazy to go for it atm xd
Translucent's and Deep's AP would be 9-C, the first scaling from Butcher, the other from easily defeating two thugs.9-B: Translucent, The Deep, V-Amped Hughie
Since the AP page explains:At least 9-B, likely 9-A: A-Train, Black Noir, Starlight, Kimiko, Kenji
9-A: Stormfront, S1 and S2 Queen Maeve
He didn't do much damage to the wall, and the wall was made out of wood.The Deep cracked a wall by tackling A-Train into it. He even traded blows with A-Train after the latter harmed him (Even if it was a punch to the gills)
But was the deep going all out with his punches?He didn't do much damage to the wall, and the wall was made out of wood.
Also, the Deep scaling to A-Train is weird.
Even if we nerfed A-Train and say he only scales from Hughie's punch, it still doesn't make sense with what was shown. Deep, while much stronger, didn't do much damage to the thugs, whereas Hughie punched clean through a guy somewhat accidentally.
Probably not.But was the deep going all out with his punches?
I thought Butcher scaling to Translucent was deemed an outlier in the other thread, hence 9-C for Butcher but Translucent stays 9-B. Again, I think the Deep harming A-Train should be 9-B since we accept Hughie as having At least 9-B rating. The same A-Train that was incapacitated from the Deep's tackle was the same A-Train that took a punch from a pissed Hughie.Translucent's and Deep's AP would be 9-C, the first scaling from Butcher, the other from easily defeating two thugs.
In another comment I explained why Hughie should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A"
I think we can nuke the "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" altogether. Kimiko and Annie can harm Starlight who is 9-A, and Black Noir can bully both Kimiko and Annie. And of course, Kenji can harm Kimiko. And the Black Noir has dominated Kimiko in a fight. Seems consitent.Since the AP page explains:
"Likely: Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be favourable. This term should be used sparingly."
And both Kimiko and Annie hurt Stormfront, shouldn't they (and those that fought them) be straight up 9-A scaling from Maeve?
Or Maeve should be "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" since her scaling is based on an statement?
I guess we can get an At most or Possibly rating for the Deep?Probably not.
It just a weird scaling, especially when you remember that Hughie aids against Homelander.
Butcher scaling to harming Translucent is an outlier, but I also explained the thread that Translucent has no offensive feats other than hurting Hughie and Butcher, and needing weapons to finish them up, so he should have 9-C AP and At least 9-B durability.I thought Butcher scaling to Translucent was deemed an outlier in the other thread, hence 9-C for Butcher but Translucent stays 9-B.
Tbh, I wouldn't even mind scaling Deep's AP to his durability, but A-Train had to go for a punch on his weak point, so Idk how that meassures up, and without speed, A-Train best feat is overpowering the (pressumably) 9-C Blue Hawke.Again, I think the Deep harming A-Train should be 9-B since we accept Hughie as having At least 9-B rating. The same A-Train that was incapacitated from the Deep's tackle was the same A-Train that took a punch from a pissed Hughie.
I think we can nuke the "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" altogether. Kimiko and Annie can harm Starlight who is 9-A, and Black Noir can bully both Kimiko and Annie. And of course, Kenji can harm Kimiko. And the Black Noir has dominated Kimiko in a fight. Seems consitent.
Wall level (Tackled A-Train hard enough to damage a wall and somewhat hurt him, despite getting punch by him on his weak point)I guess we can get an At most or Possibly rating for the Deep?
Ah ok, understandableButcher scaling to harming Translucent is an outlier, but I also explained the thread that Translucent has no offensive feats other than hurting Hughie and Butcher, and needing weapons to finish them up, so he should have 9-C AP and At least 9-B durability.
That makes senseTbh, I wouldn't even mind scaling Deep's AP to his durability, but A-Train had to go for a punch on his weak point, so Idk how that meassures up, and without speed, A-Train best feat is overpowering the (pressumably) 9-C Blue Hawke.
Annie hurting Starlight xd.
Yeah, something we both agree onBut, yeah, I think that if Maeve is 9-A, than those all that scale should be 9-A as well.
SureI'll be posting the sandboxes for anyone to check out on a blog later.
Yeah, it's also impressive considering that A-Train was still writhing in pain on the floor when Homelander came to help up the Deep.Wall level (Tackled A-Train hard enough to damage a wall and somewhat hurt him, despite getting punch by him on his weak point)
Maybe something like this?
Temp-V sounds cooler.Quick question, do we call it V24 or Temp-V?
I know it goes by both, but just to get a agreement on the most common one
Here it is.I'll be posting the sandboxes for anyone to check out on a blog later.
Mention that Temp V Hughie took a blast from a somewhat serious Annie.
I guess soWell, since no new arguments are being brought up, I guess I can apply the changes?
I kinda did already lolWell, since no new arguments are being brought up, I guess I can apply the changes?
Wait, when did that happen?I kinda did already lol
Unless I missed something
Couple days ago lolWait, when did that happen?
Since Ryan has very little durability feats, and was knocked out by the attack, I was thinking he could be rated as "At least Stree level (his current feats), possibly Small Building level (Since SB can easily overpower 9-A characters, but they usually remain conscious, unlike Ryan)"Shouldn't ryan's durability get upgraded too or put at an possibly city block level? He withstood a soldier boy hit