Tier 7 The Boys - Now possible

[Just_Butchering]

Something tried before, but now more likely than ever.

So, first of all, with this new calculation of Soldier Boy's explosion, we should have the god tiers at 8-A to 8-A+ (since Maeve pretty much tanked this while already injured from fighting Homelander, and yes, all the injuries she has here match the ones Homelander dealt).

However, we have another feat (well, statement) that would bump the ratings even further: Stan Edgar stating that he built his bunker with the intention to stop anyone with the power of a neutron bomb, which typically have a yield of 1 kiloton (Low 7-C). This is pretty much guaranteed to mean Homelander given the mention of using Zinc to block x-ray vision in the same sentence.

We even have some other statements to support this rating, like when Homelander threatened to destroy NY, Des Moines and Modesto, or the fact that he can "destroy a city in minutes".

 

[ByArrow]

I agree

 

[Spinoirr]

Also include the fact Nothing short of a H Bomb can kill Soldier Boy coming from Butcher

 

[Just_Butchering]

Also include the fact Nothing short of a H Bomb can kill Soldier Boy coming from Butcher

Honestly that could be a "possibly higher" even

 

[Saqphire]

I agree. You can support that by Homelander being stated to be able to destroy a city in minutes

 

[MasqueTLDF]

This seems fine

 

[Kaydee1648]

Yeah, I agree with this.

The prior statement about nothing being able to stop Homelander (which would logically include nuclear bombs, but was considered flimsy due to being hastily said) is further reinforced by Edgar’s statement.

 

[James11221]

Was just wondering if the low 7-c rating worked, wouldn't it be his highest possible and debunk any higher statements, since stan edgar, based on this thread, implies Homelander has the power of a neutron bomb, and if not, he would have built his bunker with more protection or something.

 

[ByArrow]

Was just wondering if the low 7-c rating worked, wouldn't it be his highest possible and debunk any higher statements, since stan edgar, based on this thread, implies Homelander has the power of a neutron bomb, and if not, he would have built his bunker with more protection or something.

Netron bombs can reach up to 10 kilotons of TNT and are nuclear weapons. Therefore, in Season 5, if they give statements about Homelander having kilotons of TNT power, being able to destroy the city, or possessing nuclear bomb-level power, will not contradict Edgar’s statement

If conflicting statements are made, for example, if Homelander is said to possess megatons of TNT-level power, we will discuss it and decide which statement is more valid.

If a higher feat is achieved, we will prioritize the feat because Feats > Statements.

 

[Machmatej]

this seems logical to me. the verse will either get the biggest upgrade or the biggest downgrade in history after the new season. but i agree with this for now.

 

[Spinoirr]

I can totally buy Homelander destroying Vought Tower and skyscrapers in New York. Like it's foreshadowed in the poster, Homelander saying what will happen if he lost everything

 

[ShionAH]

I would be fine with just making him Nuke level with these as supporting ngl

 

[Iyke2077]

I agree except for the low 7-C upgrade

 

[Da3ggman]

1 kiloton is fine I suppose, def disagree with scaling him above all Nuclear Bombs tho, since we now have a specific model stated for his power.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Wouldn't Maeve tanking heat of nuclear blast warrant upgrade of her heat resistance up to 100 million C°? And subsequently upgrade of Homelander heat vision, who IIRC can burn her with enough time?
Or I am missing something very important about Soldier Boy ability?

 

[Just_Butchering]

Wouldn't Maeve tanking heat of nuclear blast warrant upgrade of her heat resistance up to 100 million C°? And subsequently upgrade of Homelander heat vision, who IIRC can burn her with enough time?
Or I am missing something very important about Soldier Boy ability?

Are all radioactive attacks 100 million C?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Are all radioactive attacks 100 million C?

If it is nuclear explosion it should reach crazy high temperatures.
If it's not nuclear explosion, why are you using formula meant only for nuclear explosion?

 

[Thunderman101]

Nooo bum lander upgrade

 

[Nonynho]

I'm already cooking a match if this gets through
And i agree

 

[Just_Butchering]

I'm already cooking a match if this gets through
And i agree

Which one ?

 

[ByArrow]

I'm already cooking a match if this gets through

Same

 

[Nonynho]

Which one ?

lemme not jinx this, when this get through, come to my wall and ask me again :>

 

[AyOgUyS]

Imagine in the new season there's 100% undeniable proof Homelander is barely building

anyway agree for now

 

[Just_Butchering]

Imagine in the new season there's 100% undeniable proof Homelander is barely building

I would k*ll myself

 

[AyOgUyS]

I would k*ll myself

lol

 

[Qawsedf234]

Your source has the following:

The bomb might have a yield, or explosive strength, of only one kiloton

The word might is not enough to suggest an upgrade like this. You need to show actual math behind a Neutron bomb for such a rating or provide a more robust source for this value.

We even have some other statements to support this rating, like when Homelander threatened to destroy NY, Des Moines and Modesto, or the fact that he can "destroy a city in minutes".

None of this is a 7-C justification. A 9-A or 8-C character with super-sonic speed can accomplish that as long as they have enough endurance. The only way it would support it is if Homelander said he could destroy them in one hit or something of that magnitude.

EDIT: Reading stuff on Neutron Bombs, you cannot use blast yield to scale Homelander. The bombs are designed to have the majority of their energy emitted as a radiation pulse and not a blast wave. If the explosion is 1 Kiloton, it's not a Kiloton in kinetic force. It's mostly ionized radiation, thermal radiation, and a small amount of kinetic force. There's zero reason why Homelander (or anyone) would scale to the full yield value of a Neutron Bomb.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Your source has the following:

The word might is not enough to suggest an upgrade like this. You need to show actual math behind a Neutron bomb for such a rating or provide a more robust source for this value.

None of this is a 7-C justification. A 9-A or 8-C character with super-sonic speed can accomplish that as long as they have enough endurance. The only way it would support it is if Homelander said he could destroy them in one hit or something of that magnitude.

EDIT: Reading stuff on Neutron Bombs, you cannot use blast yield to scale Homelander. The bombs are designed to have the majority of their energy emitted as a radiation pulse and not a blast wave. If the explosion is 1 Kiloton, it's not a Kiloton in kinetic force. It's mostly ionized radiation, thermal radiation, and a small amount of kinetic force. There's zero reason why Homelander (or anyone) would scale to the full yield value of a Neutron Bomb.

bumlander downscale? love to see it

 

[Just_Butchering]

EDIT: Reading stuff on Neutron Bombs, you cannot use blast yield to scale Homelander. The bombs are designed to have the majority of their energy emitted as a radiation pulse and not a blast wave. If the explosion is 1 Kiloton, it's not a Kiloton in kinetic force. It's mostly ionized radiation, thermal radiation, and a small amount of kinetic force. There's zero reason why Homelander (or anyone) would scale to the full yield value of a Neutron Bomb.

It feels weird the character (or tbf, the writers) would then specifically pick said bomb for the statement

 

[IDK3465]

Your source has the following:

The word might is not enough to suggest an upgrade like this. You need to show actual math behind a Neutron bomb for such a rating or provide a more robust source for this value.

None of this is a 7-C justification. A 9-A or 8-C character with super-sonic speed can accomplish that as long as they have enough endurance. The only way it would support it is if Homelander said he could destroy them in one hit or something of that magnitude.

EDIT: Reading stuff on Neutron Bombs, you cannot use blast yield to scale Homelander. The bombs are designed to have the majority of their energy emitted as a radiation pulse and not a blast wave. If the explosion is 1 Kiloton, it's not a Kiloton in kinetic force. It's mostly ionized radiation, thermal radiation, and a small amount of kinetic force. There's zero reason why Homelander (or anyone) would scale to the full yield value of a Neutron Bomb.

According to Wikipedia, the initial blast on average takes up 35% of the total energy released by a neutron bomb, so we’d at most be looking at 8-A here unless we include thermal energy which could bump it up to 8-A+ but idk if that counts tbh

 

[Just_Butchering]

According to Wikipedia, the initial blast on average takes up 35% of the total energy released by a neutron bomb, so we’d at most be looking at 8-A here unless we include thermal energy which could bump it up to 8-A+ but idk if that counts tbh

Support the calc's ratings at least

 

[Hellbeast]

I agree. You can support that by Homelander being stated to be able to destroy a city in minutes

To be fair I could totally see a multi-city block character with supersonic-hypersonic speeds being easily capable of wiping a city in a short time

EDIT: Reading stuff on Neutron Bombs, you cannot use blast yield to scale Homelander. The bombs are designed to have the majority of their energy emitted as a radiation pulse and not a blast wave. If the explosion is 1 Kiloton, it's not a Kiloton in kinetic force. It's mostly ionized radiation, thermal radiation, and a small amount of kinetic force. There's zero reason why Homelander (or anyone) would scale to the full yield value of a Neutron Bomb.

is there a way we could calculate how much force he’d need to endure divorced from heat and radiation?

 

[Da3ggman]

I retract my agreement due to Qaws reasons, just scale Homelander to Soldier Boy’s explosion.

 

[Saqphire]

Put me in neutral, leaning towards disagree due to what Qawsed said

 

[Cropfist]

I think MCB should be "at most" since the blast was meant to kill everyone in the tower, including Homelander

 

[Hellbeast]

I think MCB should be "at most" since the blast was meant to kill everyone in the tower, including Homelander

To be faje we know his powers remove your V which could explain why itd be lethal

Maeve and Ben both survived the force itself of the explosion

 

[Just_Butchering]

I think MCB should be "at most" since the blast was meant to kill everyone in the tower, including Homelander

It would still scale to Maeve since she took it point blank and to Ben for being the epicenter.

is there a way we could calculate how much force he’d need to endure divorced from heat and radiation?

Endure? If you mean the Neutron Bomb statement, Edgar simply said that Homelander pavks that level of power.

I retract my agreement due to Qaws reasons, just scale Homelander to Soldier Boy’s explosion.

Tbf as I said in another comment, if @IDK3465 point of the blast having 35% of the total energy, that still a supporting feat for the MCB lvl rating (Idk the accepted end though)

 

[Qawsedf234]

there a way we could calculate how much force he’d need to endure divorced from heat and radiation?

Homelander wouldn't endure anything. The bunker was designed to withstand a ton of radiation and the minor amount of kinetic force from the explosion. Homelander would, at best, massively downscale from 35% of yield. He would have no reason to scale to anything else.

 

[ByArrow]

(Idk the accepted end though)

The 8-A+ end was accepted. The other end added after CGM’s input.

But I’m not sure which formula was accepted in the thread. So a CGM’s input would be very helpful.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Homelander wouldn't endure anything. The bunker was designed to withstand a ton of radiation and the minor amount of kinetic force from the explosion. Homelander would, at best, massively downscale from 35% of yield. He would have no reason to scale to anything else.

The quote from Stan was:
"Ninety feet, give or take.

Below layers of zinc-reinforced concrete.

Safe from Xray vision or anyone with the power of a neutron bomb."

So Homelander is meant to directly scale to the power of a Neutron bomb, not downscale from the bunker or anything.

 

[Hellbeast]

It would still scale to Maeve since she took it point blank and to Ben for being the epicenter.

Endure? If you mean the Neutron Bomb statement, Edgar simply said that Homelander pavks that level of power.

In that case, yeah we’d focus on the amount of force provided by such a blast

Tbf as I said in another comment, if @IDK3465 point of the blast having 35% of the total energy, that still a supporting feat for the MCB lvl rating (Idk the accepted end though)

Yeah that’d actually be pretty consistent with the Soldier Boy stuff too

Homelander wouldn't endure anything. The bunker was designed to withstand a ton of radiation and the minor amount of kinetic force from the explosion. Homelander would, at best, massively downscale from 35% of yield. He would have no reason to scale to anything else.

I misspoke and meant his AP, still it’d mean his power is comparable, if below multi-city block which makes sense with Soldier Boy’s detonation being something Maeve and himself could survive