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Another The Boys Upgrade

Just_Butchering said:
Yeah, like 90-95% where from her fight with Homelander, but when they show that she is alive, she has a couple other scratches on her face that don't match with previous shots, while others do.
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Prolly some make-up inconsistencies I suppose.

Just_Butchering said:
Also, if I have the time, I might calculate him destroying the building (Tho frankly, it might just be 8-C)
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Nah, it could very well be deep into High 8-C or possibly even higher given our recent skyscraper busting revisions and material compositions.
 
8-A huh? This just keeps getting better and better. Also, I'm assuming if we scale Season 1-2 Meave above Groundhawk, then she would be 9-A, and then Stormfront obviously scales since she takes a lot of hits. Then I guess Kimiko and Starlight would scale to At most 9-A?
 
RanaProGamer said:
8-A huh? This just keeps getting better and better. Also, I'm assuming if we scale Season 1-2 Meave above Groundhawk, then she would be 9-A, and then Stormfront obviously scales since she takes a lot of hits. Then I guess Kimiko and Starlight would scale to At most 9-A?
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I wouldn't go with scaling SB to the destruction of the Vought Tower, simply because we never got to see it and we don't know how that could have ended. Like, if he destroyed the mid section and then the top collapsed, it would destroyed the whole tower, but not in one shot.
Also, if we get technicall, the tower has 99 floors, so.

As for the scaling of the 9-A, Groundhawk's feat and Lamplighter's (pls somewhat give their feedback on my calcs lol) are both like 10 times above baseline, so I think Annie ans Kimiko could still be 9-A, and pretty much every relevant supe except Deep.
 
Just_Butchering said:
As for the scaling of the 9-A, Groundhawk's feat and Lamplighter's (pls somewhat give their feedback on my calcs lol) are both like 10 times above baseline, so I think Annie ans Kimiko could still be 9-A, and pretty much every relevant supe except Deep.
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Well, Deep still gets his 9-B AP for hurting A-Train.
 
Propellus said:
What if that's hyperbole?
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It’s possible but it’s worth noting she probably did more damage to him then Butcher or Super-Winchester
Just_Butchering said:
I wouldn't go with scaling SB to the destruction of the Vought Tower, simply because we never got to see it and we don't know how that could have ended. Like, if he destroyed the mid section and then the top collapsed, it would destroyed the whole tower, but not in one shot.
Also, if we get technicall, the tower has 99 floors, so.
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I could see it being a possibly higher Tbh, maybe something like “City Block level (Homie scaling), possibly higher (would be able to destroy Vought Tower)
Just_Butchering said:
Yeah, here's the scene (0:59 for context, 1:33 for the statement)
Idk if this is considered non-canon, but it doesn't really contradict anything, and it could help with the scaling.
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Canon is debatable (if it helps a deleted scene was released as the Butcher short film) but consistency definitely lines up imo. Maeve is easily the closest to Homelander along with Soldier Boy and you can make a case she’s actually stronger then the latter

as for Groundhawk; he’s useful but I’d wait on scaling him and Nubian until we see overlap. We know he’s alive so he could show up in Season 4 (hell imagine if he’s who JDM is playing)
 
Hellbeast said:
as for Groundhawk; he’s useful but I’d wait on scaling him and Nubian until we see overlap. We know he’s alive so he could show up in Season 4 (hell imagine if he’s who JDM is playing)
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I think Maeve's statement just makes it clear that she's above Groundhawk, I think we can go for a 'Likely' rating for her being 9-A
 
Hellbeast said:
Im more referring to the other non god tier Supes, Maeve should just scale to Homie and Ben imo
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Maeve has two keys:
One is for her S1 and 2 self, that was already stated as the second most powerful (in that deleted scene) and while she doesn't have many feats, she was the turning point on the Stormfront fight (though she stopped using her plasma bolts for some reason), overwhelming her in combat. Kimiko and Annie still somewhat scale to her, as by scaling Maeve would be like 10 times about baseline 9-A and she has no reason to hold back on Stormfront, and both Annie and Kimiko could hurt her.
Her other key is for S3, where she states to have been training for at least a couple months (seriously enough to also stop drinking) with the sole purpose of putting on a fight against Homelander (she believed she could only get some hits in, but at the end she even made her bleed). This key scake to HL, but remains inferior.
 
Hellbeast said:
I could see it being a possibly higher Tbh, maybe something like “City Block level (Homie scaling), possibly higher (would be able to destroy Vought Tower)
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Well, maybe, but the problem is with the scaling. SB clearly believes that the blast can kill HL, and he knows how strong he is. Yet, at the end, both him and Maeve survive the explosion with minor injuries at worst.
So either he can only kill HL by exposing him to the blast enough to burn the V out of him.
Or the explosion he made at the end was weakened because of the gas disorienting him (Kinda like how he was weaker when he first woke up).
Either way, the possible 8-A rating (or idk, I might check for more exact numbers) wouldn't scale to anyone, other than his maximum potential output.
Hellbeast said:
Canon is debatable (if it helps a deleted scene was released as the Butcher short film) but consistency definitely lines up imo. Maeve is easily the closest to Homelander along with Soldier Boy and you can make a case she’s actually stronger then the latter
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Fair.
Hellbeast said:
as for Groundhawk; he’s useful but I’d wait on scaling him and Nubian until we see overlap. We know he’s alive so he could show up in Season 4 (hell imagine if he’s who JDM is playing)
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She should still scale, especially since, if Nubian Prince were to be stronger than Maeve, I don't think Madelynn would sell him.
(Edit: i'll admit this logic is flawed since Vought discarded SB on the potencial of HL being more powerful, and popularity is what mostly matters to Vought, but still. If Maeve was inferior to Nubian Prince, they wouldn't sell it, especially for such price.)
 
Just_Butchering said:
Well, maybe, but the problem is with the scaling. SB clearly believes that the blast can kill HL, and he knows how strong he is. Yet, at the end, both him and Maeve survive the explosion with minor injuries at worst.
So either he can only kill HL by exposing him to the blast enough to burn the V out of him.
Or the explosion he made at the end was weakened because of the gas disorienting him (Kinda like how he was weaker when he first woke up).
Either way, the possible 8-A rating (or idk, I might check for more exact numbers) wouldn't scale to anyone, other than his maximum potential output.
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Tbh Soldier’s power dampening may well be why that would kill him but that depends
Just_Butchering said:
She should still scale, especially since, if Nubian Prince were to be stronger than Maeve, I don't think Madelynn would sell him.
(Edit: i'll admit this logic is flawed since Vought discarded SB on the potencial of HL being more powerful, and popularity is what mostly matters to Vought, but still. If Maeve was inferior to Nubian Prince, they wouldn't sell it, especially for such price.)
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I’m not saying she is, I’m saying beyond that and Maeve we don’t know how Groundhawk’s strength works in the setting. Sure Maeve and the Nubians scale but does Noir? Does Translucent?
Just_Butchering said:
Maeve has two keys:
One is for her S1 and 2 self, that was already stated as the second most powerful (in that deleted scene) and while she doesn't have many feats, she was the turning point on the Stormfront fight (though she stopped using her plasma bolts for some reason), overwhelming her in combat. Kimiko and Annie still somewhat scale to her, as by scaling Maeve would be like 10 times about baseline 9-A and she has no reason to hold back on Stormfront, and both Annie and Kimiko could hurt her.
Her other key is for S3, where she states to have been training for at least a couple months (seriously enough to also stop drinking) with the sole purpose of putting on a fight against Homelander (she believed she could only get some hits in, but at the end she even made her bleed). This key scake to HL, but remains inferior.
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Key feels unnecessary but if that works that works
 
Hellbeast said:
Tbh Soldier’s power dampening may well be why that would kill him but that depends
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I don't get what you mean by that.
Hellbeast said:
I’m not saying she is, I’m saying beyond that and Maeve we don’t know how Groundhawk’s strength works in the setting. Sure Maeve and the Nubians scale but does Noir? Does Translucent?
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Yes and no.
Let's say, Maeve scales above Groundhawk and the Nubians. Stormfront's durability scales to her (At least close enough to survive a beating from her and remaing conscious). Kimiko and Annie fought her and damaged her, so they scale.
Then we have Noir, who fought both, and that Maeve preferred to incapacitate with his allergy rather than fight directly.
And A-Train also fought and hurt both Annie and Kimiko.
So, pretty much most of the Seven scale.

Translucent is quite the topic (That I wanted to bring in a CRT alongside my still unchecked calcs), but personally, I think his durability could be argued to scale to the rest. In summary, because he laughed off a point-blank shot from Butcher's Serbu, and saws broke trying to cut him, while both those things hurt Annie. If that doesn't work, he remains at 9-B durability.
Deep is clearly the weakest member, so he doesn't scale.
Hellbeast said:
Key feels unnecessary but if that works that works
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It makes more sense of for the scaling, otherwise, Annie and Kimiko would've been able to fight SB.
 
CharlesZaGreat said:
It should be noted that all of A-Train's 9-B feats were preformed while amped on Compound V
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9-A* and true, but it's also implied the he could replicated them at his prime, since that's what he aims to do by using Compound V.
But, I guess if we really need to make a different key/ratings, he would still be 9-B by KE alone and by scaling from Hughie amped by V24 (Or idk what rating he would get lol)
 
Just_Butchering said:
9-A* and true, but it's also implied the he could replicated them at his prime, since that's what he aims to do by using Compound V.
But, I guess if we really need to make a different key/ratings, he would still be 9-B by KE alone and by scaling from Hughie amped by V24 (Or idk what rating he would get lol)
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Hmmmmm, what would A-Train be with Blue Hawk's heart?
 
Just_Butchering said:
But, I guess if we really need to make a different key/ratings, he would still be 9-B by KE alone and by scaling from Hughie amped by V24 (Or idk what rating he would get lol)
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Hughie would definitely be 9-B. He takes a blast from Starlight and punches right through a guy. If we scale his AP to his Durability, this might potentially be 9-A since we’re scaling Starlight to 9-A for harming Stormfront.
 
KLOL506 said:
Hmmmmm, what would A-Train be with Blue Hawk's heart?
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He is featless, but I assume he is back at his peak.
RanaProGamer said:
Hughie would definitely be 9-B. He takes a blast from Starlight and punches right through a guy. If we scale his AP to his Durability, this might potentially be 9-A since we’re scaling Starlight to 9-A for harming Stormfront.
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Personally I think Hughie should be 9-A, if at a low-end. He hurt A-Train with a punch, and he tackled HL (which sure, doesn't scale him to HL at all, but he pushed him back further than Annie could push back SB [before she absorbed a lot of electricity], and I calculated Maeve's truck feat at 9-B+ which didn't even made her flinch, so he should upscale). Durability wise, sure he took a blast from Annie, but I don't think she going that serious. He did however took held-back hits from SB, who can easily overpower Kimiko and Annie, so more or less he should on the same level.
 
RanaProGamer said:
I thought that was deemed an outlier since he did have a recorded speed on a security camera and a V-Amped A-Train was also no higher than Supersonic
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I know it's late for this, but I'm going to crtl+c crtl+v my response to the outlier argument here:

"Doesn't seem like an outlier. He broke the sound barrier at like 12, and while meticulously searching for translucent he flew at mach 1.5

I'd [also] like to note also that the show portrays his max flight speed as capable of blitzing characters comparable to him such as Soldier Boy.

What I'm trying to say is, Homelander should have Supersonic + reactions and Hypersonic+ travel/movement speed."
 
Cryo123 said:
I know it's late for this, but I'm going to crtl+c crtl+v my response to the outlier argument here:

"Doesn't seem like an outlier. He broke the sound barrier at like 12, and while meticulously searching for translucent he flew at mach 1.5

I'd [also] like to note also that the show portrays his max flight speed as capable of blitzing characters comparable to him such as Soldier Boy.

What I'm trying to say is, Homelander should have Supersonic + reactions and Hypersonic+ travel/movement speed."
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His reaction speed should scale tho. Since he perfomed the feat while saving Butcher from the explosion. If he moves faster than he could react, Butcher would have been Robin'd.
 
Just_Butchering said:
His reaction speed should scale tho. Since he perfomed the feat while saving Butcher from the explosion. If he moves faster than he could react, Butcher would have been Robin'd.
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If he had been going at mach 0.5 Billy would have been spattered. It's just PIS. Also still doesn't adress his flight blitzing Soldier Boy, which would be explained by this feat.
 
Cryo123 said:
If he had been going at mach 0.5 Billy would have been spattered. It's just PIS. Also still doesn't adress his flight blitzing Soldier Boy, which would be explained by this feat.
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It's PIS that Billy survived being dragged at Mach 10+ speed, yes. But HL's reactions should still scale.
As for SB getting blitz, in the fight HL rushes at close range at him with super speed and SB dodges, so him getting blitzed was likely because he got took by surprised.
 
KLOL506 said:
Given that distance Homelander is absolutely not going to be able to fly because there's simply no room for him to do so without making a mess out of everything including the kid.
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Yeah, and also the last episode of Diabolical shows that he can move and react at high speeds even while on the ground.
 
Just_Butchering said:
A-Train does not scale for now (Maybe in S4 he could, but for now, his feats don't match Homelander's, with even their explicit speeds putting him below)
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He actually might, remember that a bloodlusted Homelander couldn't even tag Noir. And A-Train obviously is faster than most of the Seven.
 
Just_Butchering said:
2922.68 m/s or Mach 8.52
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Should've noticed the explosive would've been much lower. Because the explosive quickly loses velocity as it progresses further outward. Last I remember within close to a feet explosives of his kind get negged to below Mach 10.

Though at the same time Homelander should be unquantifiably faster than this because he'd need plenty of time to carefully move Butcher out of the house and possibly the baby, otherwise they'd both be up shitcreek.
 
KLOL506 said:
Should've noticed the explosive would've been much lower. Because the explosive quickly loses velocity as it progresses further outward. Last I remember within close to a feet explosives of his kind get negged to below Mach 10.

Though at the same time Homelander should be unquantifiably faster than this because he'd need plenty of time to carefully move Butcher out of the house and possibly the baby, otherwise they'd both be up shitcreek.
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Yeah, makes sense. Tho maybe he didn't save the baby and it teleported himself away.
RanaProGamer said:
Oh, that's right. Then do we assume that Diabolical Homelander is slower than Season 1 Homelander? Since him getting faster as he ages do seem to be a possibility.
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Maybe, or it was a mix of his recklessness and inexperience that let Noir outmaneuver him with his better skill and acrobatics.

Edit: Yeah, except for maybe one or two instances, Noir mostly evaded HL via stealth and taking HL by surprise, or by dodging his very straightforward line of attack (Also by seeing how HL crashed into a wall while chasing Noir, it reinforces the idea that between his anger and inexperience, Noir could outmaneuver him)
 
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