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[Just_Butchering]

Also I just realised; the statement about "every weapon on Earth" could include MOAB'S which are 11 tons of TNT, very consistent with the City Block calc and the other building level stuff

Might be, far more plausible than them just nuking their best asset lol, especially since via SB we learned thag radiation and heat are bad for Compound V users.

Though I gotta ask, are does accessible? Considering that Vought has been trying for long for the supes to be part of the military, it is reasonably possible they could test a MOAB on Homelander?

Although at the end of the day, we should take into account the plausible hyperbolic nature of the statement.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Homelander was basically Vought putting all their eggs into one basket, so, I'm not sure how willing they would have been to to launch a MOAB (Which could've potentially killed him) at their #1 asset, unless they were hyper confident that he could survive it.

 

[Hellbeast]

Might be, far more plausible than them just nuking their best asset lol, especially since via SB we learned thag radiation and heat are bad for Compound V users.

Though I gotta ask, are does accessible? Considering that Vought has been trying for long for the supes to be part of the military, it is reasonably possible they could test a MOAB on Homelander?

Not sure, all I know is they're the largest conventional bombs available to the Military and are more believable then Nukes for Vought to acquire.

Homelander was basically Vought putting all their eggs into one basket, so, I'm not sure how willing they would have been to to launch a MOAB (Which could've potentially killed him) at their #1 asset, unless they were hyper confident that he could survive it.

True, we do see they put him through rigorous shit when he was younger so I guess it's arguable? IDK

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hmm, if my two cents is worth anything, this might be enough for a Possibly 8-B Rating? This sounds very reasonable to me, tbh.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Hmm, if my two cents is worth anything, this might be enough for a Possibly 8-B Rating? This sounds very reasonable to me, tbh.

"At least Building level (Scaling from SB's explosion in the finale), possibly City Block level (Scaling from the nuclear plant explosion and maybe Vought throwing a MOAB at kid HL?)"

 

[RanaProGamer]

I think the strongest non nuclear weapon kind of makes sense considering Soldier Boy’s blast are nuclear and a danger to all the Supes, including Homelander.

 

[Hellbeast]

Hmm, if my two cents is worth anything, this might be enough for a Possibly 8-B Rating? This sounds very reasonable to me, tbh.

Honestly just City Block works since the Building+ Calc is actually City block now (maybe a possibly higher for the Vought Tower thing + the statement about weapons)

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Honestly just City Block works since the Building+ Calc is actually City block now (maybe a possibly higher for the Vought Tower thing + the statement about weapons)

.... What. Also, link for this revamp calc, pls.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Oh, wait, nevermind. I figured it out.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Honestly just City Block works since the Building+ Calc is actually City block now (maybe a possibly higher for the Vought Tower thing + the statement about weapons)

As I said earlier, Idk if anyone can actually scale to destroying the tower (which we also don't know how it would have happened).
Because SB's blasts are considered lethal to even HL, yet later Maeve survives it point-blank with mininal injuries.

While I think Maeve surviving the blast is justifiable because SB was likely weakened from the gas, we need to address if he was actually an actual threat to the tower even on that state (Which is a possibility, so I think possible is the more appropriate rating. I was gonna later calc an hypothetical destruction of the tower using some prints to scale the floor size)

 

[Hellbeast]

TBH I think it being lethal to Homelander is because it fries the V out of his system; thus realizing his worst fear. Making him just another mud person without abilities, calcing the tower could be helpful tho (I know it can easily get 8-A but idk how big Vought tower is). I'd also suggest the big boom in New York since that should be pretty solid

 

[Just_Butchering]

TBH I think it being lethal to Homelander is because it fries the V out of his system; thus realizing his worst fear. Making him just another mud person without abilities, calcing the tower could be helpful tho (I know it can easily get 8-A but idk how big Vought tower is). I'd also suggest the big boom in New York since that should be pretty solid

Maeve got the V burnes out of her body and survived, so my argument remains.

The tower has 99 floors, but because each one has an elliptical shape, the building most likey would shield lower results than destroying the Empire State.

The building destruction when SB first arrived at NY? I could check it out, but I don't think it would scale to anyone.

 

[Hellbeast]

Maeve got the V burnes out of her body and survived, so my argument remains.

Because Soldier Boy was disabled and there’s no threat nearby. Homelander, on the other hand would have no such luxury

The tower has 99 floors, but because each one has an elliptical shape, the building most likey would shield lower results than destroying the Empire State.

Hmm true; If city block that’s super consistent with the other stuff

The building destruction when SB first arrived at NY? I could check it out, but I don't think it would scale to anyone.

Yep; it’d be worth noting imo

 

[Just_Butchering]

Because Soldier Boy was disabled and there’s no threat nearby. Homelander, on the other hand would have no such luxury

Exactly, then either she doesn't scale because he is weakened, or we assume even when weakened he can destroy the tower (again, assuming it would be in one shot)

Yep; it’d be worth noting imo

Would see what I get

 

[Hellbeast]

Exactly, then either she doesn't scale because he is weakened, or we assume even when weakened he can destroy the tower (again, assuming it would be in one shot)

Wait why would she not scale? She tanks the explosion at near point blanks and is seemingly only injured by the fall (even then, she has no serious damage). I still think the Nuclear Pulse is scalable

Would see what I get

Might be a nice support I guess

 

[Just_Butchering]

Wait why would she not scale? She tanks the explosion at near point blanks and is seemingly only injured by the fall (even then, she has no serious damage). I still think the Nuclear Pulse is scalable

She scales to that explosion, which was calculated at 8-C.
The argument here is whether or not the explosion that Maeve took would actually pack the power to destroy the tower.
Because SB's blast are threatening to HL, but also we have only 2 people survive a direct blast: Kimiko and Maeve. Kimiko surviving is justifiable because SB was just woken up from like a 30 year coma. And I think the same applies to Maeve surviving the explosion when technically it has the power to kill the more powerful HL.
The explanations are either that he was weakened, or that he can only kill HL with a prolonged explosion (plausible, but he no actually evidences to support either).
If we go with the first as justification, and assume SB was weakened by the gas, then we have no idea if his blast was still powerful enough to actually destroy the tower as implied. And even then, as I said, we don't know if he coukd have done it in one blast, or just partly and then have the rest of the building collapse on itself (I'll admit I think they are implying the former, but it would still be a 'possible' rating).

As for how much is destroying the tower, while I didn't fully finished it, from what I calculated, destroying one floor only is around 8-C, so the 99 floors would be around 8-B.

And I think calculating the NY building destroyed is too damn work lol. At least if you wanna cover all the damaged parts. Maybe by only taking the main part damaged it would easier.

 

[KLOL506]

She scales to that explosion, which was calculated at 8-C.
The argument here is whether or not the explosion that Maeve took would actually pack the power to destroy the tower.
Because SB's blast are threatening to HL, but also we have only 2 people survive a direct blast: Kimiko and Maeve. Kimiko surviving is justifiable because SB was just woken up from like a 30 year coma. And I think the same applies to Maeve surviving the explosion when technically it has the power to kill the more powerful HL.
The explanations are either that he was weakened, or that he can only kill HL with a prolonged explosion (plausible, but he no actually evidences to support either).
If we go with the first as justification, and assume SB was weakened by the gas, then we have no idea if his blast was still powerful enough to actually destroy the tower as implied. And even then, as I said, we don't know if he coukd have done it in one blast, or just partly and then have the rest of the building collapse on itself (I'll admit I think they are implying the former, but it would still be a 'possible' rating).

As for how much is destroying the tower, while I didn't fully finished it, from what I calculated, destroying one floor only is around 8-C, so the 99 floors would be around 8-B.

And I think calculating the NY building destroyed is too damn work lol. At least if you wanna cover all the damaged parts. Maybe by only taking the main part damaged it would easier.

I don't think floors would be linear in energy like that. The explosion formulae certainly are not linear like this.

That being said, I don't think Soldier Boy unleashed his true power into Maeve there, the shock factor of being yeeted out of a building certainly adds to that.

That being said tho, Maeve surviving that fall with only a broken arm from that high after being depowered certainly speaks volumes for her.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I don't think floors would be linear in energy like that. The explosion formulae certainly are not linear like this.

Maybe use the dimension I found and calculate the volume of the tower? How much hollowness should I use?

That being said, I don't think Soldier Boy unleashed his true power into Maeve there, the shock factor of being yeeted out of a building certainly adds to that.

I think the same.

That being said tho, Maeve surviving that fall with only a broken arm from that high after being depowered certainly speaks volumes for her.

I think is the same as with Kimiko surviving gettinf blasted through a wall and rammed into another, maybe the Compound V doesn't get burned immediately, or it depends on how much dosage the user has.
Also Idk if she has a broken arm, since that same arm is the one HL burned (you can see in the fight she has a big burn on her arm after blocking the heat vision with her bracelet, since it didn't stopped the heat)

 

[KLOL506]

Maybe use the dimension I found and calculate the volume of the tower? How much hollowness should I use?

Volume might not work here, you might need explosive radius instead, not sure how vertical booms go, but I guess that'd use the same methodology if contained well enough within the building itself.

I think is the same as with Kimiko surviving getting blasted through a wall and rammed into another, maybe the Compound V doesn't get burned immediately, or it depends on how much dosage the user has.

Or it depends on how long or with how much power Soldier Boy blasts them.

Also Idk if she has a broken arm, since that same arm is the one HL burned (you can see in the fight she has a big burn on her arm after blocking the heat vision with her bracelet, since it didn't stopped the heat)

Her entire arm seems plastered, and Soldier Boy's explosion should have comparable heat if not higher (Nuclear explosions have extreme temperatures at the epicenter).

 

[Cryo123]

I never got the implication that the blast would be lethal to Homelander, just that it would leave him as an average joe where he might as well be dead. It would explain Kimiko and Maeve surviving.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I never got the implication that the blast would be lethal to Homelander, just that it would leave him as an average joe where he might as well be dead. It would explain Kimiko and Maeve surviving.

The thing is, we saw that in Herorgasm, some supes were quickly disintegrated. So to me SB was capable of killing HL with his blast, but maybe he needed it to shot for some time before it burned out all the V in HL so it would kill him.

Volume might not work here, you might need explosive radius instead, not sure how vertical booms go, but I guess that'd use the same methodology if contained well enough within the building itself.

Maybe, but Soldier Boy only seemed to create explosion on two occasions: against Crimson Countess and against Maeve. Otherwise, he shoots a kinda of laser to destroy things.

Or it depends on how long or with how much power Soldier Boy blasts them.

Could be too.

Her entire arm seems plastered, and Soldier Boy's explosion should have comparable heat if not higher (Nuclear explosions have extreme temperatures at the epicenter).

Ok... but that doesn't change that if you watch the fight Maeve has a big burn on her arm.

 

[Hellbeast]

The thing is, we saw that in Herorgasm, some supes were quickly disintegrated. So to me SB was capable of killing HL with his blast, but maybe he needed it to shot for some time before it burned out all the V in HL so it would kill him.

Those Sups are fodder and we even see other Supes there survive those blasts

 

[Just_Butchering]

Those Sups are fodder and we even see other Supes there survive those blasts

Yeah, although several got lucky. Like Blue Hawke is completely unharmed, and Butcher (and even MM lmao) got pushed by its force but nothing else, and neither seemed to lose their powers.

 

[Cryo123]

The thing is, we saw that in Herorgasm, some supes were quickly disintegrated. So to me SB was capable of killing HL with his blast, but maybe he needed it to shot for some time before it burned out all the V in HL so it would kill him.

The reason they died is that their durability as supe's was low enough where they didn't even lose their powers, they just died.

 

[Just_Butchering]

So uh, asking this to kinda revitalize the thread, but while I was making some sandboxes of the profiles (to add some tweaks that'd make them look better imo) I was wondering something about the scaling.
"Likely
Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be favourable. This term should be used sparingly."
While we do have actual 9-A feats calculated (From Lamplighter and Groundhawk), we don't really have an straightforward scaling from the main cast (Refering mostly to Maeve, Starlight and Kimiko, but most of the relevant supes scale to them), mostly statements (Kimiko implying that she could survive Lamplighter's fire, and Maeve being the 2nd most powerful [stated in a deleted scene]), and the feats that the characters do actually display being 9-B, should we:
•Rank them all "At least Wall level, likely Small Building level"
•Do that, but leaving Maeve and Stormfront('s Durability) at "Small Building level"
•Scale them all to "Small Building level"?

 

[Just_Butchering]

And the feats that the characters do actually display being 9-B, should we:
•Rank them all "At least Wall level, likely Small Building level"

So, of course I refer to the plethora of Wall busting in the show, but for actual calcs we have Naqib's explosion, which Noir fully scales to since he wasn't even pushed back by it and then killed Naqib.
And I guess we can add A-Train's kinetic energy, since it was shown he can fight by ramming into people.

From Google, I found that his (actor's) weight is 80-87 kg, I'll go with an average of 83.5 kgs.
•So, we have his explicit speed (with Compound V) of 371 m/s during his race against Shockwave, which would yield: 0.5*83.5*(371^2) = 5746511.75 Joules or 0.00137 Tons of TNT (Wall level)
•We also have his stated speed of 1000 mph or 447.04 m/s, likely refering to when he was on his prime. 0.5*83.5*(447.04^2) = 8343518.8 Joules or 0.002 Tons of TNT (Wall level, not too far from Wall level+)

•Do that, but leaving Maeve and Stormfront('s Durability) at "Small Building level"

I make the distinction since Stormfront's physical strenght is weaker than Maeve's, despite being able to take a beating from her.

 

[Qawsedf234]

so the 99 floors would be around 8-B.

Well, not really. All he would need to do is destroy one or two entire floors. Afterwards the building would just collapse in on itself.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Well, not really. All he would need to do is destroy one or two entire floors. Afterwards the building would just collapse in on itself.

Funny you brought that up, since that was my main argument against scaling to the building destruction lol.
Also, Annie makes this assumption based on what SB did on Herorgasm, but there he damaged by firing a beam and moving it around, not blowing up everything in one attack.
So the more I think about it, the more I think the feat just doesn't work.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Funny you brought that up, since that was my main argument against scaling to the building destruction lol.
Also, Annie makes this assumption based on what SB did on Herorgasm, but there he damaged by firing a beam and moving it around, not blowing up everything in one attack.
So the more I think about it, the more I think the feat just doesn't work.

Yeah, I like to think of it as that General Zod’s heat vision moment in Man Of Steel, where he only destroys like 4-5 floors and the entire skyscraper starts coming down

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah, I like to think of it as that General Zod’s heat vision moment in Man Of Steel, where he only destroys like 4-5 floors and the entire skyscraper starts coming down

Agreed, hence why I suggest it as a possibly rating

 

[Just_Butchering]

Agreed, hence why I suggest it as a possibly rating

From the Attack Potency page:
"Possibly: Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly."
Annie's words were:
"There are a couple thousand
people in that building.
I mean, if he pulls a Herogasm, he's gonna take the whole f*cking place down."
So, her basis to imply the destruction of the tower is Herogasm, where he didn't actually destroyed the house, but left it badly damaged. Also, when Soldier Boy is about to attack on the finale, she says "You'll kill everyone", which implies she was mostly comparing the amount of people that would die to Herogasm, rather than the amount of destruction.

So while not impossible, the specificity of the feat makes it, imo, less than 'mildy likely', since it requires for SB to destroy everything in one attack, when the most likely scenario is him shooting his beam like a maniac and destroying the place as a side-effect.

 

[Omegas03]

Didn't soldier boy threaten to destroy the whole thing? (Don't remember exact dialogue).

(plus earlier calc of the chemical plant feat supports 8-B too).

 

[Omegas03]

Other thing I may wanna add, is that Kimiko surviving a Soldier Boy explosion may be supporting the lower-mid tiers scaling to Groundhawk's feat.

I am unsure on the Deep scaling tho...

 

[Just_Butchering]

Other thing I may wanna add, is that Kimiko surviving a Soldier Boy explosion may be supporting the lower-mid tiers scaling to Groundhawk's feat.

Not really? I mean, Soldier Boy clearly wasn't at his peak yet, since he just woke up, and the best it did at that point was blast kimiko through a wall, when he later can destroy buildings.

I am unsure on the Deep scaling tho...

He doesn't. And personally I wouldn't scale him to A-Train, but at least during their scuffle, Deep damaged a wooden wall a little, so uh, supporting feat?

Didn't soldier boy threaten to destroy the whole thing? (Don't remember exact dialogue).

My comment above it goes into looking at the statement.

(plus earlier calc of the chemical plant feat supports 8-B too).

On a technicality, yes, but while it supports an supposed 8-B feat, it still doesn't support the idea that SB could destroy the Seven Tower completely in one attack. I mean, Annie bases her statement in Herogasm, where he didn't destroy the building they were in, he badly damaged it, but it was still standing.

 

[Just_Butchering]

So uh, asking this to kinda revitalize the thread, but while I was making some sandboxes of the profiles (to add some tweaks that'd make them look better imo) I was wondering something about the scaling.
"Likely
Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be favourable. This term should be used sparingly."
While we do have actual 9-A feats calculated (From Lamplighter and Groundhawk), we don't really have an straightforward scaling from the main cast (Refering mostly to Maeve, Starlight and Kimiko, but most of the relevant supes scale to them), mostly statements (Kimiko implying that she could survive Lamplighter's fire, and Maeve being the 2nd most powerful [stated in a deleted scene]), and the feats that the characters do actually display being 9-B, should we:
•Rank them all "At least Wall level, likely Small Building level"
•Do that, but leaving Maeve and Stormfront('s Durability) at "Small Building level"
•Scale them all to "Small Building level"?

So, of course I refer to the plethora of Wall busting in the show, but for actual calcs we have Naqib's explosion, which Noir fully scales to since he wasn't even pushed back by it and then killed Naqib.
And I guess we can add A-Train's kinetic energy, since it was shown he can fight by ramming into people.

From Google, I found that his (actor's) weight is 80-87 kg, I'll go with an average of 83.5 kgs.
•So, we have his explicit speed (with Compound V) of 371 m/s during his race against Shockwave, which would yield: 0.5*83.5*(371^2) = 5746511.75 Joules or 0.00137 Tons of TNT (Wall level)
•We also have his stated speed of 1000 mph or 447.04 m/s, likely refering to when he was on his prime. 0.5*83.5*(447.04^2) = 8343518.8 Joules or 0.002 Tons of TNT (Wall level, not too far from Wall level+)

I make the distinction since Stormfront's physical strenght is weaker than Maeve's, despite being able to take a beating from her.

So I bring this topic once again to get to an agreement - personally, I'm ok with just going with 9-A, but I don't mind if people want to go with "At least 9-B, likely 9-A".

Also, I want to know the consensus on 8-B for Homelander and co. To me is kinda wack of a jump from 9-A, but Idk, if everyone is ok with it, so be it.

Oh, and part of the sandboxes I'm making include a little clean-up for the profiles and adding gifs because they look cool, and I made one for Hughie too.

 

[Cryo123]

Also, I want to know the consensus on 8-B for Homelander and co. To me is kinda wack of a jump from 9-A, but Idk, if everyone is ok with it, so be it.

8B Homelander makes sense in my eyes at least.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Bringing this here for anyone interested.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Also, I want to know the consensus on 8-B for Homelander and co. To me is kinda wack of a jump from 9-A, but Idk, if everyone is ok with it, so be it.

8-B Homelander is fine by me

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Same with me as well.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Bringing this here for anyone interested.