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Alright, I've addressed this several times and it hasn't been addressed back. So I ain't stoppin' til I get a solid answer.
Three things:
Three things:
- Remove the Sub-Relativistic rating for the MFTL+ characters. There's absolutely no reason for that lowball. Whether or not other people or not scale to it (I'll get to that later) is irrelevant. We don't rate Goku as FTL+, likely MFTL+ because Krillin has kept up with him on occasion. Likely and possibly are used for stats and/or feats that aren't certain and it's quite possible to be something else. It's why Mario's tier NOW varies between High 4-C and 3-C. The MFTL+ feat is not only widely accepted, but it has no uncertainty and there's no values/ends that are under MFTL+. And to top it off, Mario's cross-galactic travel and ability to do quick movements and maneuvers in between Launch Stars are a few other MFTL+ feats.
- Upgrade those who are consistently fighting with Mario or Bowser to the above level. Remember that Bowser performed the MFTL+ feat in base, and he wasn't amped until after he shot down the ship that would become Starship Mario. This would be Toad, Bowser Jr., the Koopalings, Kamek, and Peach. Firstly, Kamek's magic blitzed Mario in Galaxy. There's no reason Kamek shouldn't scale, even before this thread. Second, Peach, who has kept up with Bowser in 3D World, Seven Stars, Super Paper Mario, and most importantly, in Super Paper Peach, where she took him on solo. Thirdly, the Koopalings, who fought evenly with Mario in SMB3, SMW, and all the games in the "New" series. Fourth, Bowser Jr., who's better than the Koopalings, fought with Mario in Sunshine, and given how he was very present in Galaxy, why he doesn't already scale is beyond me. Finally, Toad. His profile outright states that he's faster than the Mario Bros., which is true, as he has 5 Stars in speed in SMB2, compared to Mario's 4 and Luigi's 3. Toad has kept up with Bowser in NSMBWii, NSMBU, and 3D Land. Mayyybe King Boo as well, as he could kidnap Mario and keep up with Luigi twice. For the record, this doesn't affect the AP of anyone. The variable tier being specific for the characters in Galaxy makes sense.
- Upgrade everyone else (who's relevant) to Relativistic+ to FTL (or one or the other). I've brought this up quite a few times too, also to have it die off. Characters can move out of the pull of a natural black hole for some time, and can even escape the pull for a time, being able to move away faster than the black hole can pull in. This happens in Mario Party (say it with me now: Black Hole Boogie) and we all know that side characters like Daisy, Waluigi, and Toadette are playable in those.
