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i haven't been interacting here but now this is just foolish and your flat out ignoring plot details asking for this as if you don't know what transpired
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Another DBZ upgrade, this time for Yajirobe
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What the heck are you talking about? I was just asking that guy to show me the scan of krillin saying the line. I don't remember krillin saying it since it has been a while I read the manga.
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Doubt that's the case but anywho here's your scan with krillin saying the exact line
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Even before this Krillin had Gohan stop flying so that they can try and get to Vegeta undetected but Vegeta literally had his guard up when his tail was cut off if he didn't he'd obviously not have been able to dodge Krillin's kienzan or even think there's a chance he might be attacked
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This is actually a pretty amazing stealth feat for yajirobi. Thanks for the scan. Definitely agree with a "5-B with sword" now.
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Yeah
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Hit the nail in the coffin, that's exactly what I was referring to
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Hm Not to sound rude that was almost 2 hours ago no real need for the calm down also ofc it's personably reasonable to ask for scans my only problem came in with BetterThanYou seemingly imo ignoring some basic things flat out even denying that the armor is actually armor so it seemed very odd to also ask for something that was like a basic part of the saiyan saga with the dodging scene and Krillin's quote.
That aside the scans are there now and it's all cleared up
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I'm personally on the side of being against this. First of all, I don't think there's proof of Yajirobe's sword being made out of some Adamantium knock off supermetal; it's just a regular katana enhanced by his own Ki. So the rules would just be that the strength varies on the wielder. There is also the fact that it's a penetrative weapon and it cuts through his armor deep but not so much Vegeta's body. This implies he is more durable than his own armor outside of the whole "Durability drops exponentially when distracted" trope.
Higher with his sword is perhaps fine, but I don't think it should scale from Vegeta who was distracted when sliced.
Higher with his sword is perhaps fine, but I don't think it should scale from Vegeta who was distracted when sliced.
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Also forgot to mention I wouldn't use Raditz as an example because Raditz is a lot weaker than Vegeta. Also, durability isn't particularly linear as some objects are more or less susceptible to sharper objects due to hardness level. Saiyan Armor is kinda rubbery and thus being able to be cut by sharp objects is kind of makes sense. And again, Vegeta was distracted when he got sneak attacked as his attention was towards everyone else.
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@Medeus
The armor is supporting. He straight up cut Vegeta's tail. As straight forward as it gets, really.
The weapon doesn't need to be of any special material. He's simply applying his strength through a fine point, which allows him to cut through someone with planet level durability. That warrants mention on his profile.
The armor is supporting. He straight up cut Vegeta's tail. As straight forward as it gets, really.
The weapon doesn't need to be of any special material. He's simply applying his strength through a fine point, which allows him to cut through someone with planet level durability. That warrants mention on his profile.
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Tail doesn't scale to durability as Puar was able to cut off Goku's tail, Vegeta went for Gohan's tail when he was and an ape and called himself an idiot for not doing so earlier. Justification does make sense, but it's kind of hard to believe that with the katana he scales above KKx3 Goku, seems like an inconsistency.
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Looks pretty valid
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Oozaru vegeta had his guard up yet his tail still got chopped off.
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I remember vegeta slapping the shit out of goku with his tail as an oozaru. And didn't raditz use his tail to one shot krillin?
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I guess they can apply force with it, but its very weak to getting sliced. I mean you can't just go past puar cutting off Goku's tail. Also narrative wise, you can just watch the oozaru Vegeta and Gohan fights. They are always going for the tail. Vegeta uses a kienzan to cut off Gohan's tail, why didn't he just do that to his body?
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the last 5 comments aside from KingTempest's comment got me pretty confused because I usually just look at the profile pictures to recognize who commented
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I feel you it's definitely a little weird when there's no pfps on multiple users
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Yeah, thats already on his profile I think it's fine as is
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Everybody except ddm agrees with 5-B katana, a higher rating is useless as it doesn't specify that it can harm 5-B durability.
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Yes. That is true. Maybe giving him a Wolverine-style attack potency would be better then?
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I suggest, 5-C (5-C justification), 5-B with katana (Cut off oozaru vegeta's tail and damaged vegeta's armor with his katana). This would only scale to his attack potency.
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Well, I personally don't mind, but it depends on if @DarkDragonMedeus changes his mind about this or not.
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They go for the tail because that disables the form of Oozaru, which understandably gives them trouble. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have the same durability value. Raditz basically shit talks Goku for getting rid of his tail because of this
Yeah, they could just target the body with it, but while that would harm an Oozaru, that's not like it would stop it altogether. Whats more reliable? Using multiple attacks on the main body, or taking out a part of the body that reverts the transformation?
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How come Puar could cut off Goku's tail, how come Vegeta called himself a fool for not going for the tail when his punches literally did 0 damage to a transforming Gohan
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The kienzan is probably the worst argument you could use, when it already shows the capacity to damage stronger opponents.
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A) PIS
B) Because he could've ended off the fight early, like I stated above. What I said above is being completely disregarded. It's also worth noting that Vegeta was fairly strained in terms of his stamina at that point due to the damage he and Goku had already taken, so yeah, physical attacks are gonna be a little harder to make full use of. Yes, the tail is a weakness in terms of negating a Saiyan's ability to transform into an Oozaru. But it should be no weaker than the rest of the body.
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This is also a good point. Krillin is an example of this
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"Then why Vegeta didn't straight kill Gohan?"
PIS, quite simply. He had the means and an attack that he knows for a fact can do it, as he himself was extremely aware of the power of the technique when Krillin tried against Nappa.
PIS, quite simply. He had the means and an attack that he knows for a fact can do it, as he himself was extremely aware of the power of the technique when Krillin tried against Nappa.
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Why regard them both as PIS when it's far easier to come to the conclusion that cutting of the tail is far easier? It doesn't make sense how you are scaling Yajirobe with katana to be stronger than oozaru Vegeta when later he wasn't able to completely slice through Vegeta and later got the shit beat out of him after being able to catch him off guard once
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Being distracted doesn't make your armour less durable.
Let's not forget the great elasticity of the Saiyan armour. Krillin even asks Vegeta how to put them on to which it's explained it's incredibly expandable. Also given that it's, well, armour, I don't see why it wouldn't give at least some semblance of protection against blades. Saiyans are required to fight all sorts of warriors, and while that's not to say they'll be prepared for each and every single one, it's reasonable enough to say the armour they wear should have some strength to it.
Easier =/= less durable
Yajirobe got beaten up because he's not as powerful as the sword he wields, we're going over this in the thread itself. Nowhere did we say Yajirobe w/ sword > Oozaru Vegeta. It can harm Oozaru Vegeta, yes. We aren't saying he'd beat him in a one-on-one.
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Who said anything about stronger?
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