Another attempt at a upgrade of Madness combat

[Sinpokefan]

Basically what the title says it's based in this in terms of speed also god tiers would be upgraded to low 1-C (possibly true form auditor and the rest of the employers with the machine and the maker who should have a profile being most definitely low 1-C thanks to this) also maybe an AP upgrade via church summoning ******* lightning in it's first fight and straight up throwing a ball of lightning in the second which would still give a MHS speed since is actual lightning also yes Sanford and Deimos can tank the lightning balls if they are touched by them in the air

 

[Sinpokefan]

@Comiphorous

 

[Comiphorous]

put the calc in a blog post on this site and credit the original person, and have it evaluated.

disagree on the Low 1-C. While that statement is backed up by lore in place with the machine, him saying they're a 5th dimensional being as their true form won't hold up since he didn't seem sure on it.

Church needs a profile, and is there proof thats natural lightning?

 

[Sinpokefan]

Pretty sure that yes just let me check also what's do you think about the speed thing?

 

[Comiphorous]

Pretty sure that yes just let me check also what's do you think about the speed thing?

As long as the calc is accepted (once on the actual site), im fine with it.

 

[Sinpokefan]

Can you pass the link to the site?

 

[Comiphorous]

Can you pass the link to the site?

just click the logo in the corner, it'll bring you to the fandom page.

 

[Thelastmlg]

definitely disagree on low 1-C, being 5D is not enough, and he talks about their fiery forms being ways we can comprehend their forms, nothing about them being infinitely bigger nor qualitatively superior to the universe.

calc needs evidence of the lasers being lightspeed, all they gave were weapon names

looking frame by frame, the lightning isn't shown to come from the sky, the pillar appears after he slams the ground, and considering he has electric equipment in his arms, then that is probably just electricity if there is no other evidence of it being lightning bolts

 

[Sinpokefan]

The wiki which is canon according to krinkels says that it is lightning Capable of firing lightning balls/ balls of lightning

 

[Sinpokefan]

Also for the guns being light speed

 

[Sinpokefan]

They shot concentrated photons which are light speed

 

[Sinpokefan]

Also at the end it's said that the employers are 5 dimensional beings and if that doesn't count there is the machine and the maker with the machine having created them and the maker creating the machine

 

[Comiphorous]

Also at the end it's said that the employers are 5 dimensional beings and if that doesn't count there is the machine and the maker with the machine having created them and the maker creating the machine

the problem with the low 1-C stuff, is that Phobos, who just got out of The Other Place, compared himself to the employers.

if they were Low 1-C, that'd scale to god phobos, and then retroactively scale to Hank, Demios, and Sanford, and then the entire cast would be low 1-C.

it's either untrue, or an outlier.

 

[Thelastmlg]

1. make one single comment with all points instead of multiple, it floods the thread.

2. the wiki also says he channels electricity into his attacks, so they are treating them as the same thing, we have criterias for either lightning/electric attacks fit for being lightning speeds, and simple being called lightning is not enough

3. looking into the fight with ghoul, he does not use the laser pistolette, his lasers comes from his eyes, they travel instantly, and you dodge his head movement, not the laser itself.

while you could argue that it is still a lightspeed laser even if it different from the laser pistollet, since it travels in a straight line, burns stuff and comes from a robot with led eyes, they don't dodge the laser itself, they just avoid ghoul moving it around

also i can't even tell what if going on in that calc, ghoul doesn't seem to be shooting his laser in the pic, it is low quality and not even fullscreen

4. making stuff doesn't mean you are a dimension above it, again, being 5D doesn't give you tier 1 if the gap between you and lower dimensional beings has no evidence of being literally infinite

 

[Sinpokefan]

the problem with the low 1-C stuff, is that Phobos, who just got out of The Other Place, compared himself to the employers.

if they were Low 1-C, that'd scale to god phobos, and then retroactively scale to Hank, Demios, and Sanford, and then the entire cast would be low 1-C.

it's either untrue, or an outlier.

For the 1-C I don't mean the Phobos that Hank and the others fought but rather the post fight if he had won and it's mostly about the machine and the maker who created the employers and their dimension which would be 5-D

 

[Sinpokefan]

1. make one single comment with all points instead of multiple, it floods the thread.

2. the wiki also says he channels electricity into his attacks, so they are treating them as the same thing, we have criterias for either lightning/electric attacks fit for being lightning speeds, and simple being called lightning is not enough

3. looking into the fight with ghoul, he does not use the laser pistolette, his lasers comes from his eyes, they travel instantly, and you dodge his head movement, not the laser itself.

while you could argue that it is still a lightspeed laser even if it different from the laser pistollet, since it travels in a straight line, burns stuff and comes from a robot with led eyes, they don't dodge the laser itself, they just avoid ghoul moving it around

also i can't even tell what if going on in that calc, ghoul doesn't seem to be shooting his laser in the pic, it is low quality and not even fullscreen

4. making stuff doesn't mean you are a dimension above it, again, being 5D doesn't give you tier 1 if the gap between you and lower dimensional beings has no evidence of being literally infinite

The calc is for the distance that the laser crossed in a given amount of time and what Deimos crossed in the same amount of time check the time stamps that are shown

 

[Thelastmlg]

For the 1-C I don't mean the Phobos that Hank and the others fought but rather the post fight if he had won and it's mostly about the machine and the maker who created the employers and their dimension which would be 5-D

which isn't tier 1, because being 5D is not enough for it

 

[Thelastmlg]

The calc is for the distance that the laser crossed in a given amount of time and what Deimos crossed in the same amount of time check the time stamps that are shown

i see it is a different laser that didn't happen in the fight i linked

regarless, the calc makes no sense, the laser moves nearly instantly on the screen and i'm pretty sure you need to perform the feat while the laser is shoot and not before, because then you are assuming everything in the world happens in a FTL timeframe.

the calc doesn't even explain what exactly each pixel count is or what is going on

there also the bigger issue that this would be an outlier, since they struggle with dodging gunshots

 

[Employe]

the problem with the low 1-C stuff, is that Phobos, who just got out of The Other Place, compared himself to the employers.

if they were Low 1-C, that'd scale to god phobos, and then retroactively scale to Hank, Demios, and Sanford, and then the entire cast would be low 1-C.

it's either untrue, or an outlier.

They are fighted Unmerged Phobos, so it is not outlier for Phobos and not feat for them