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Amakasu vs BB

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I'm surpreised about this.

Even Amakasu being comparable to Reinhard, he loses this but Reinhard just resists Authority and hax her to death.

Now I see the importance of the power set and versatility
 
BB takes this via C.C.C.

But isn't Amakasu acausal since he can just screw causality and makes the effect(Arriving) before the cause(Moving)?
 
He can ignore Causality, he can ignore C.C.C "The space eroded by this attack becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes and bores a hole in reality to achieve her ends." Amakasu can just escape from the space or resurrect himself back.

Also Amakasu Gods=Reinhard
 
Question, since Amekasu isn't divine....

Can't BB just sever his connection and force him to never be able to summon them?
 
I don't know, can she sever his connection from the Alaya , the source of all existence across all parallel universes and the universal collective unconsciousness of humanity, said thing that Amakasu already surpassed? don't think so.
 
C.C.C. is existence erasure, conceptual manipulation and so on. It destroys reality. "When used in combat, BB's has her familiars, the shapeshifters, engulf the target..."

His Regenerationn doesn't help him against existence erasure, and the concept via which he resurrects can be rewritten by the same ability.


@SchroKatze

That's listed as causality manipulation on his page, so no acausality.
 
that's IF she knows about alaya and well...you need to negate kantan dream i think which is the dream itself (iirc that's why yoshiya won cause he cut the connection by abandoning his rosei powers in exchange of stoping the kantan ability) and from BB's list of hax she doesn't seem to be able to affect a dream so... well idk this as much so yeah take it with a grain of salt
 
>C.C.C. is existence erasure, conceptual manipulation and so on. It destroys reality. "When used in combat, BB's has her familiars, the shapeshifters, engulf the target..."

You do know he can cancel that right? and if you are gonna bring familiars, why are you ignoring Amakasu gods?

His immortality and self-resurrection does help though and he can read her mind to know what she is gonna do and prepare.
 
She is faster than him due to omnipresence so I don't see him summoning anything. Low-Godly regen is not enough, self-resurrection can be taken care of via conceptual manipulation and power nullification.
 
ALRF said:
Nakiri can just destroy Law,concepts, metaphysical places and such with his Dragon Roar and this is only as a Tatari, Shinno can do the same.
> The BB absorbed the Earth Mother from nearly every divine pantheon. Due to this, even gods within would not be able to rebel.

eeeh, Amakasu can summon Gaia if he wants to, there is no proof that Earth Mother >>>> Amakasu Gods.

Again this Imaginary Numbers Space and so what if it's outside spacetime? Nakiri can destroy it easily, Shinno can destroy it easily as Tatari. The othet gods are much more powerful than them.

So? doesn't mean anything in VS Thread, i can go and say Reinhard can't never lose due to the nature of his apoptosis, and Amakasu can cancel her existence if he wants to.

Also breaking down and absorbing them? what's stopping Amakasu from summoning others? what's stopping them from resisting this?
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She will never let him summon them. She will write a law that he cannot.

Yeah I'm sure Amakasu can summon Gaia. But he's never been shown to, and you can't assume that his Gaia would have more Divine Authority that hers. Especially seeing as Gaia would be one of those Earth Mother Goddesses she ate

And again, she can just absorb them. This ignores durability, and while they have mid-godly regen, they do not have resistance to it. Will that stop them regenerating or null their connection to Alaya? No. And I never said it would. But what it will do, is give her all of their powers and abilities and their analogue Divine Authority. And when BB has all of their abilities on the same level as them, plus all of her own abilities, they cannot possibly beat her.

If Amakasu summons Shinno, she will eat him and gain his powers. If Amakasu summons Kuubou, she will eat him and gain his powers.

Her authority stops him from cancelling her, seeing as without his gods he has no divinity on his own, and over will powering Alaya means nothing, seeing as it is simply a matter of willpower.
 
Well... Gaia is a Mother Godess, and Amakasu can summon Zeus, a god with more Divinity than Gaia.

Kuubou is just the ultra overpowered Earth Embodiment.

I'm changing my vote to the crazy bomber.
 
Nigh omnipresence throughout time and space means that if he wants to put her down, he needs to erase her at all poitns throughout time and sapce, and also that she can see his every move in past, present and future, and everything that has happened, will happen and is happening.

Hardly not combat applicable.
 
"Faster than him due to omnipresence.", as in, by the virtue of her existing in every point of time, she will always be one step ahead of him and will be able to take action before him.
 
SchroKatze said:
Well... Gaia is a Mother Godess, and Amakasu can summon Zeus, a god with more Divinity than Gaia.
Kuubou is just the ultra overpowered Earth Embodiment.

I'm changing my vote to the crazy bomber.
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You are attempting to compare the heirarchy of real world mytholgy with two separate visual novels.

There is no reason to assume any of those beings have stronger Authority than BB, seeing as A) even in their respective pantheons in the Nasuverse, they are weaker than BB, B) Gaia would have been one of the many earth mother goddesses she ate and gained the power of, and C) Gaia is almost always portrayed as superior to Zeus even in real life.
 
for the above reply, Amakasu can summon Gaia so yeah derpy.

literally everyone is all about Earth Mother, where Amakasu can summon top dogs like Zeus,Odin, Vishnuu and and other gods. Also Saver a Buddha > BB Authority yet for some reason people think, these gods that i mentioned have lower divinity than him or is Saver > Vishnuu in divinity now?.

Let's say she decompose them to data...what's actually stopping them from regenerating from that? and remember she is gonna get flagged by a huge amount of Gods.

She isn't immune to Mind hax, Shinno can screw her mentally allowing the others to throw all they got unto her.

Also still have yet to see why Rosei < BB authority too.
 
1. Lacking ability to summon them when he no longer exists and this match is over.

2. Lacking immunity to Time Paradox.

3. Lacking ability to survive C.C.C. in every point of time.
 
1. Wot?

2.Immortality and Self-resurrection.

3.see the above reply and he can escape the imaginary space so no (it's not a simple erasure existence as you people tell me, i've read the C.C.C ability so yeah)
 
1. He dies before he gets to summon anything.

2. Immortality that cannot help him against Existence Erasure and Self-Resurrection that can be dealt with via Conceptual Manipulation, Power Nullification and Law Manipulation.

3. Dead men cannot escape anything.
 
1. you didn't explain how so not buying it.

2. it does, don't know why you think it doesn't, Harumitsu Oosugi wouldn't be capable of erasing him as BANZAI will just come back.

3.Muda Muda Muda! you didn't explain how.
 
Yes, and BB will eat her, just like she ate her version of Gaia

No, they are not. You are comparing real life to a visual novel. What gods has Amakasu been seen to summon? Not ones he is said to be able to summon. Because they have no feats, and we can't compare them to their real life counterparts seeing as Masada's pretty clearly thrown that out the window.

Again, I never said it would stop them regenerating. But she now has their powers, their physical, mental, conceptual and spiritual strength, abilities, nature of existence, and connection to Alaya, in addition to whatever Authority they did have. And simple maths says that x+y > x , where x is the god's divine authority/power/resistances/everything else important and y is BB's divine authority/power/resistances/everything else important. Of course, this is also assuming she doesn't just write a law that stops them from being summoned, which I have said multiple times and you have yet to answer.

One of the things Magic Resist lets Nasuverse characters resist is mind hax.

Because Rosei aren't Gods. They are Alaya's representatives. Amakasu summoning actual gods makes that pretty clear
 
ALRF said:
literally everyone is all about Earth Mother, where Amakasu can summon top dogs like Zeus,Odin, Vishnuu and and other gods. Also Saver a Buddha > BB Authority yet for some reason people think, these gods that i mentioned have lower divinity than him or is Saver > Vishnuu in divinity now?.
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Where is your evidence that Saver beats BBs authority?
 
1. She is omnipresent across space-time, therefore her actions will be ahead of his.

2. I guess he's kinda weak then, cause High-Godly is regenerating when your existence is erased and reality destroyed.

3. C.C.C. among other things, all at once, in every point of time.

Mind haxing BB while she is the Moon Cell? No, but thanks.
 
Going to say that if Amakasu can survive in dreams and metaphysical areas, he can probably regenerate into imaginary space. It isn't an attack requring high-godly regen against him.

All of my other points still stand

@Gargoyle, Saver governs Solar Systems, and I think he has some form of divinity, so he is stronger than her
 
Amakasu can create a world outside Alaya and if she tries to CCC it may not work considering the specialist of canceling dreams can't even erase it (and Kuubou was erasable but he came back anyway) so he can do something like that tbf
 
ALRF said:
1. you didn't explain how so not buying it.
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Bishop Staff of Rulership: The device that allows BB to use her authority as an Advanced-Level AI to the fullest. It allows her to revise the "game rules" within the Moon Cell and thus physical and magical laws.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
Amakasu can create a world outside Alaya and if she tries to CCC it may not work considering the specialist of canceling dreams can't even erase it (and Kuubou was erasable but he came back anyway) so he can do something like that tbf
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True, but she doesn't have to. If he just hides out in his pocket dimension for over amonth, that's still her win.
 
>No, they are not. You are comparing real life to a visual novel. What gods has Amakasu been seen to summon? Not ones he is said to be able to summon. Because they have no feats, and we can't compare them to their real life counterparts seeing as Masada's pretty clearly thrown that out the window.

So you are denying one of Amakasu abilities?...

That math... you know i can say Shinno is a+b+c+e+d+f > BB authority (it's true though) also Law Manipulation ain't doing shit, he can read her mind and counter attack it, by for exemple BFR her, she nevers show abilities to affect dreams, or just create a new world where she can't erase it, he did it to Harumitsu Oosugi.

Rosei aren't gods indeed, but they aren't human either way. So please how does her authority works?

@Swag

1.Night-Omnipresent please and as i said he can read her mind and actually...she is rarely serious and spends much of her time simply harassing her foes instead of finishing them off

2.What does that have to do? BB hasn't show the ability to destroy reality or some shit like that.

3. don't know why and if you wanna go like that sure, he can BFR her into another places to remove her from Moon Cell

>Saver governs Solar Systems, and I think he has some form of divinity, so he is stronger than her

Lo and behold the answer too everything.
 
1. Amakasu knows the future too don't ignore it please~

2.yeeeaah no i don't see it anywhere in her description.

3.Her powers are tied to the Moon Cell and she is thus much weaker if she is removed from it says otherwise this, so yeah he can BFR her
 
1. Okay, at this point I'm sure you don't actually know CCC at all because you do realize that she went all out against all of Hakuno's servants when Hakuno no longer has the luxury of BB having a crush on her right? She loves to fool around when she is never fighting, but she's fully serious once they enter her domain.

2. Actually....

3. He can't BFR some with authority over her.
 
I'm not denying his ability. I'm denying your NLF that his gods are automatically above BB in Divine Authority, even though they have no feats to put them at such, and even though she has shown herself to be well, well above every other God in the Nasuverse, save Bodhistava and the like.

"Law Manipulation won't do shit" - so he has resistances to law manipulation does he? Can you provide evidence?

Shinno is still a mere High 6-A to her 5-A, and he can't get past all her other abilities even if we do assume he has higher Authority (even thoguh I have told you why it isn't higher several times), so she beats him down, breaks him down into data, absorbs the important bits of data, and when he regenerates he finds himself most definitely affected by her authority, in addition to being even weaker in comparison than he was before, in addition to having added to her own resistances and given her all his abilities. The same with Kuubou. And all the other gods AM summons.

"They are dreams, how would authority affect them"

You seem to think her authority only works on humans

This is wrong. It works on anyone born of earth. Conceptualised as a result of earth. Come into their current form as a result of their place on earth. Etc.

"The Dreams of Humanity" most defintely count

He can't remove her from the moon cell. All battles with BB are predicated on the entire natural multiverse being within the Moon Cell.

I've refuted you again and again, and you essentially ignore me to say the same thing again. I'm tired, and I'm done with you for now. Good night
 
1.Doesn't explain anything about C.C.C, he can read the future just like she knows the future.

2.The space eroded by this attack becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes and bores a hole in reality to achieve her ends. don't see destroy reality only a hole. and it's an imaginary space he can escape from

3.No explanation as to why Rosei aren't affected by BB authority.
 
>I'm not denying his ability. I'm denying your NLF that his gods are automatically above BB in Divine Authority

NLF...are you gonna use that now, to counter my arguments? I can go and say your Earth Mother authority is NLF too. Also wanna go Nasuverse with me? Alaya > Earth Mother so Rosei gets a free pass

>"Law Manipulation won't do shit" - so he has resistances to law manipulation does he? Can you provide evidence?

Read what i said, don't ignore it and focuse on one thing, and he can create new Worlds to where her law mean shit anyway.

>Shinno is still a mere High 6-A to her 5-A, and he can't get past all her other abilities even if we do assume he has higher Authority (even thoguh I have told you why it isn't higher several times), so she beats him down, breaks him down into data, absorbs the important bits of data, and when he regenerates he finds himself most definitely affected by her authority, in addition to being even weaker in comparison than he was before, in addition to having added to her own resistances and given her all his abilities. The same with Kuubou. And all the other gods AM summons.

So...are you going by Tier now? wot? Also you are kinda forgetting Shinno true form (Lucifer) in which he isn't a Tatari, also it is higher or is the combination of every evil entity (including gods and ones that are not born from Earth mother) << Earth Mother authority. Breaking down to data, i can agree with that, but you are ignoring not only their regenation but their combination against BB, Shinno opens up with Black Hole making her focuse on him and other gawds gets to throw all they want (easiy as Nakiri can erase her).

>He can't remove her from the moon cell. All battles with BB are predicated on the entire natural multiverse being within the Moon Cell

The weakness says otherwise, unless you tell me why, i'm gonna go by the profile.
 
Actually hold up, can she even "eat" gods/goddess?From what i heard BB herself never actually "ate" those Earth Mother Goddesses. She gained her Authority by hacking into Moon Cell's record and cramp all those Earth Mother Goddesses datas into herself.

This doesn't seem like eating...
 
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