@XXBenShapiroXx My main problem was/is and this was the case before I ever read/watched Dragonball ... they want Goku to show off dozen of techniques and want them to be perfect, while ignoring - contextually - what it means to be a great fighter in DBs setting.
It doesnt help that most DB fans are just as blind as them haters. You could show them a legit universal feat and it gets downplayed to star level. One of the things i realized when it read/watched DB for the first time.
Lets use that super delicious throw Goku used against Broly in the movie. According to them "internet gangster" its a basic throw and nothing special.
What Goku displayed here, if my memory serves right, was a standig seoi nage or maybe one of its many variations like Ippo, but at the end of the day its just the same throw, whats seperates them is the variations of entry and finish but having multipel names is a cool thing.
Context is what matters: Lets use a popular boxer. He might be one of the worst evers when it comes to skills and the only thing hes good at is that sweety money punch. So he basically has only 1 good weapon. Unlike most other boxing fans, hes - IHMO - the best puncher of the modern era since he gives up 40-70lbs and got the boxing skills of a twitch streamer - pretty much every single opponent was the superior boxer. I think most combat fans dont realize how hard he has to work for that 1 KO punch under such circumstances. That guy guy is unique as hell if you dont ignore context.
Anyway ...
For starters, most of the Judo throws are designed for clinching opponents and thats why - in no gi - seeing throws using arm control is a rare thing. Rule of the thumb for most Judokas, if someones tries to punch you, the best is to punch them back since getting an arm control under such situations and using their own momentum is very,very veeery hard.
Said throw was designed for bigger size. But theres size and THERES SIZE:
1. size
2. 50lbs size
3. 50lbs size and athlecism
4. 50lbs size, athlecism and fighter
5. Then theres Broly
one of the scariest guys when it comes to physical size, weight and pure talent.
1. is doable. 2. is okaish if you got the right timing and abuse their own momentum. 3. You have to be incredible good at it. 4. Nigh impossible. Maybe a high level olympic Judoka could pull it of 1 out of 10 times.
What Goku did against Broly in a nutshell, Goku slips to the side and uses its momentum at exactly the right time for a beautiful throw and shows once again that Goku is indeed a martial art genius and whoever thinks he would lose to "real world guys" is delusional as hell.
Fictional guys are so much more talented. The fact alone they dont destroy the universe while fighting at MFTL+ speed which just speaks volumes of body control and a strong mind, puts every single one so far a head it aint funny. Even if some things wouldnt work here for whatever reasons, they would immediately adapt and spank your ass in 1 second.
TL;DR
Goku H2H fans cant win against internet stupidy. "Everyone acts like a martial art ganstga until Goku throws that perfect straight right into your face" - Mike "Jinsama" Tyson, Vswiki member.
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