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Alien X Versus Asriel Dreemurr

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Paulo.junior.969 said:
ProspectX said:
not taking my question seriously is a clear offense. Where in the ben 10 franchise does someone claim that Alien X have a soul?, because otherwise it's you who can't prove that alien X does have a soul. And dont tell me that soul manipulation works on those without, because that really be inconsistent. Oh and even if alien X did have one, it re-created the entire universe and it's timeline which contains trillions upon trillions of souls. So he logically also can destroy souls.
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Not taking my question seriously is a clear offence. Where in the Ben 10 franchise does someone claim that Alien X does not have a soul? There's no reason to say that he is immune to Soul Manipulation just because reasons, you need to show us where they say that he doesn't have a soul. There's literally no reason to say that Alien X is souless, unless you think that every character out there who has never mentioned a soul is immune to Soul Manipulation, but if you think that, then, sorry, but that's not how it works.
And, creating the universe is Reality Warping and Space-Time Manipulation, it's on his page, read it.
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do you wish to be taken seriously? I was the one who first asked the very question, the only thing that's been ever stated in the series is that alien X's body is a pocket universe. Litterally no implications of a soul anywhere. This discussion can go to no end, which is why i voted for the fight as inconclusive. And i explained how alien X could create souls out of thin air, or did you just ignore that aswell?
 
ProspectX said:
do you wish to be taken seriously? I was the one who first asked the very question, the only thing that's been ever stated in the series is that alien X's body is a pocket universe. Litterally no implications of a soul anywhere. This discussion can go to no end, which is why i voted for the fight as inconclusive. And i explained how alien X could create souls out of thin air, or did you just ignore that aswell?
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Well, you're the one ignoring things here, since I just explained both points, there's no mention of Alien X being souless, so, there's no reason to assume that he is souless, and creating an universe is Reality Warping and Space-Time Manipulation, not Soul Manipulation, it's in his profile, if you want to add new abilities to Alien X, go make a Content Revision Thread, but until now you still couldn't show us the clip where Alien X is stated to be souless.
 
Not taking my question seriously is a clear offence. Where in the Ben 10 franchise does someone claim that Alien X does not have a soul? There's no reason to say that he is immune to Soul Manipulation just because reasons, you need to show us where they say that he doesn't have a soul. There's literally no reason to say that Alien X is souless, unless you think that every character out there who has never mentioned a soul is immune to Soul Manipulation, but if you think that, then, sorry, but that's not how it works.
And, creating the universe is Reality Warping and Space-Time Manipulation, it's on his page, read it.

do you wish to be taken seriously? I was the one who first asked the very question, the only thing that's been ever stated in the series is that alien X's body is a pocket universe. Litterally no implications of a soul anywhere. This discussion can go to no end, which is why i voted for the fight as inconclusive. And i explained how alien X could create souls out of thin air, or did you just ignore that aswell?

That's not hiw this works. Being a pocket universe =/= soulless. You need to prove that he doesn't have a soul. The burden of proof is on you. Same with creating souls. Prove it.
 
The Wright Way said:
Not taking my question seriously is a clear offence. Where in the Ben 10 franchise does someone claim that Alien X does not have a soul? There's no reason to say that he is immune to Soul Manipulation just because reasons, you need to show us where they say that he doesn't have a soul. There's literally no reason to say that Alien X is souless, unless you think that every character out there who has never mentioned a soul is immune to Soul Manipulation, but if you think that, then, sorry, but that's not how it works.
And, creating the universe is Reality Warping and Space-Time Manipulation, it's on his page, read it.
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do you wish to be taken seriously? I was the one who first asked the very question, the only thing that's been ever stated in the series is that alien X's body is a pocket universe. Litterally no implications of a soul anywhere. This discussion can go to no end, which is why i voted for the fight as inconclusive. And i explained how alien X could create souls out of thin air, or did you just ignore that aswell?
That's not hiw this works. Being a pocket universe =/= soulless. You need to prove that he doesn't have a soul. The burden of proof is on you. Same with creating souls. Prove it.
Why would the "burden of proof" be on me?, i already said that you tell me where alien X has a soul, the celestialsapien who was born outside the space-time continuum. "otherwise we can just say that soul manipulation works on anybody no matter if the being or it's race never been stated to have souls."

2. The universe contains every soul in it's existence, (unless you wanna contradict that too). So LOGICALLY speaking, recreating the universe would be recreating the countless souls that been erased. And that directly means the ability to destroy them, or am i too inflicted towards my opinion?
 
Well, you're saying that Alien X has abilities that aren't on his profile and keeps ignoring the points everyone makes, so, go make a Content Revision Thread, it's the best thing to do in those situations.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Well, you're saying that Alien X has abilities that aren't on his profile and keeps ignoring the points everyone makes, so, go make a Content Revision Thread, it's the best thing to do in those situations.
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Speak for yourselves, i made myself clear regarding the issue.
 
Voting for Alien X, Save and load would be useless against X, due to the fact that he is aware of the resets (from his own universe), danmaku, energy manipulation and projection might be a problem, but with his Regenerationn, time manipulation, telekinesis, self-duplication and spatial manipulation would make his attacks complete pointless.

Both have the same really warping, but X has more experience fighting people on his level. Time erase again is useless against X, he is more powerful than the time bomb which is capable to destroy infinite timelines, and power nullification is only for his "hyper death form".

So yeah, X win with 6,5/10 Diff, in-corporeal would be a headache, but really warping could help a lot.
 
@Newendigo

Actually Flowey (A incomplete Asriel) could heal himseld using save and load and he can also do this if he misses

Alien X don't "trully" beat his enemy he just make him unable to battle which he can't do to Asriel...

and his first from is the hyper death form

Seems like the only way Asriel could 100% beat Alien X is with his full power, so now it look like a Inconclusive "<

or with the soul manipulation thing but is better wait until Prospect do a revision
 
Well it has been hown countless times that alien x is weak to energy draining attacks my vote definatly goes to asriel his hyper goner could drain alien x and seal him asriel can go AoD and reck him with hyper goner this would be a close match though but my vote goes to asriel i'll admit i'm a bit baised to undertale but i just think asriel has more powerful and variable HAX and abilties like in his Danmaku and soul manipulation so i think asriel wins VIA better and more efficient HAX and abilities but because we aren't useing full power asriel looking like inconclusive so i go with inconclusive
 
Current vote count

Asriel: 9 (Devvo the Comedic Genius, Xanxussama1010, Anonimoe7875, PlozAlcachaz, Holyhotsauce, The Wright Way, Paulo.junior.969, God-King Superman77, LoyalservantofInti)

X: 3 (Darkmon cns, ProspectX, Newendigo)

Inconcusive: 1 (HoboPlayz)

Of cause Asriel still already got this. So can someone add this now?
 
@Xanxussama: Will do that now.

Edit: Done. Seeing as that it's obviously more in Asriels favor and the results have been added, i think it is safe to close this now.
 
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