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What do you think about the new stuff I brought Ant? The last 3 paragraphs of my reply?Antvasima said:@Kukui
Thank you for helping out.
It doesn't matter how casually he recreated the universe. The difference between Low 2-C and 2-C is ludicrous.ÖzkanDemir said:I know, but Alien X did it so CASUALLY. He did not show any sign of effort.So it was easy for him to re-create the entire Universe. Which means he is not Low 2-C.
I'm still reading through those commentsFirestorm808 said:The current discussion is scaling Alien X by Professor Paradox's statements.
That isn't what im arguing here Ant. No one is saying that Ben would use Alien X on a whim to solve any problem he comes across, or else there would be no conflict to advance the story. That is obvious PIS.Antvasima said:It seems to have likely been Plot-Induced Stupidity, yes. Otherwise Ben would use Alien X to far too easily solve virtually any problem.
Ben never specifically chose Alien X, he remarked on how he wanted an alien that could deactivate the anhilaarg and just took his chances with the omnitrix, this time bring lucky enough to get Alien X.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Snip
This actually makes a lot of sense to me.ProfessorKukui4Life said:No matter how you slice this up, Ben had absolutely no excuse to not try and go with Alien X against the Navigator, unless Alien X is weaker than it.
Are we arguing that Serena and Bellicus are wrong? That seems extremely unlikely. Celestialsapiens were stated by Dwayne McDuffie to be at least Tens of thousands of years old, which would be the age of Serena and Bellicus. They also recreated the entirety of the universe, meaning they must at least be aware of all the contents within that universe. They would be extremely intelligent beings. In the Ben-10 verse they would be approaching Nigh-Omniscient, on a general scale for fighters still very intelligent.ProfessorKukui4Life said:>That doesn't matter to the actual point, Serena and Belecus were witnessing the same thing as us but didn't interpret it as the universe only being in the process of destruction, and even if didn't happen within the alien x dimension, that fact would remain. It's also not a stretch to assume they would know more about what it signified than us, since the audience got exactly zero information about the sequence the two of them also wouldn't have
Which goes right back to my point that Serena and Bellicus can just simply be...wrong. Just because they interpreted the events differently than us and otherwise, doesn't mean that their word has more priority over what is directly shown to be happening. Which is why we take what is shown on screen to be more important than what is actually said during the scene.
>It doesn't make a lot of sense to conclude that their statement is wrong when you are basing it off of something happening that both were perfectly aware of, and which the audience would not be in any better of a position to draw conclusions from than the two of them were.
See above as its pretty much the same thing. They interpretted it differently? Okay. Doesn't mean that they are factually correct. Adding to this, this last point can be flipped right back around too. We can also say it doesn't make sense for our conclusion to be wrong when we are also perfectly aware of what was happening (the universe's destruction) and neither Bellicus or Serena were in any better position to hold priority over our conclusion of the events.
This is basically an out-of-universe interpretation vs an in-universe interpretation of the events.
We're talking about the Chrono Navigator, not the time bomb.Omimi said:the thing is he dont even know what it(time bomb) can do