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Rules are rules bud. We cant use a tier that doesnt exist
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Alien X Upgrade
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Multi-universe level did exist but I believe it blended with other tiers or was cut because it was redundant
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That's not how it works... For one that tier name doesn't exist and just because he casually recrated a universe doesn't mean we are going to bump him up a tier. At least Low 2-C is the best you are going to get if this is all the evidence you have.ÖzkanDemir said:
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Would you rather give misinformation, instead of saying Multiple Universe levelEmperorDoom25 said:
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What misinformation? Alien X doesnt have any 2-C feats as I said, so he stays at Low 2-C but on a high degree of it
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That's literally not misinformation though.Misinformation means it's wrong but it isn't, Alien X created a space time continuum which is what Low 2-C means. You thinking he should be higher because it was casual doesn't mean it's wrong.ÖzkanDemir said:
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You guys say he is Low 2-C, Universe level. What is that nonsense? He casually and effortlessly re-creates a Universe, boom, that is the best he can do. Low 2-C.EmperorDoom25 said:
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For now, yes
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Do you have any proof that he can create/destroy more than one universe at once?
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Literally no one said that's the best he can do. There's a reason everyone agrees with AT LEAST Low 2-C for Alien X
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Wow. No wonder why many people say this site is incorrect and nonsense. Just tell a mod to delete this page and deactivate my account.EmperorDoom25 said:
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And again, he is on a high degree of Low 2-C, but cant reach 2-C for now. not without featsÖzkanDemir said:
Is that so hard to understand?
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It sounds like he thinks all Low 2-C's are equal
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You guys say he is Low 2-C, Universe level. What is that nonsense? He casually and effortlessly re-creates a Universe, boom, that is the best he can do. Low 2-C.
Dude if we went with your logic DBS Broly would be 2-C to 2-B (Along with several characters via scaling). But they aren't cause that's not how tier 2 works. Give a 2-C feat and I will gladly go with the upgrade.
Dude if we went with your logic DBS Broly would be 2-C to 2-B (Along with several characters via scaling). But they aren't cause that's not how tier 2 works. Give a 2-C feat and I will gladly go with the upgrade.
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Wow. No wonder why many people say this site is incorrect and nonsense. Just tell a mod to delete this page and deactivate my account.
People don't like this site because we don't blindly follow their way.
People don't like this site because we don't blindly follow their way.
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Going off what others have said, existing outside of the universe wouldn't upgrade his Ap. The only upgrade I can see is to his speed since he moved his arms in a place of no time since the time-space of the universe was destroyed it would result in Infinite speed. Although, this wouldhave to be checked by more knowledgeable memebers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDT7qGmFIkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDT7qGmFIkE
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At least Low 2-C is the best you can do with the published material available.
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After some digging, I just realized something. In the episode, Forge of Creation, Professor Paradox says that Celestialsapiens are the greatest power in the universe, and Paradox doesn't lie. Not only was his Chrono Navigator with him, but Vilgax had the Chronosapien Time Bomb Maltruant gave him in the 1700s, which was in the universe at the time it was recreated by Alien X.
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That probably just refers to them being the most powerful alien race in the universe. And a statement like that doesn't warrant an upgrade on its own, regardless of a characters credibility. I'm pretty sure Frieza would be correct in saying, "Son Goku is among the greatest in power throughout the multiverse!". This doesn't mean Goku is 2-C by any stretch of the imagination.Firestorm808 said:
In other words, this is probably just a way to describe the position of Celestial-sapiens at the height of power in the universe as a race rather than anything else.
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Here is something funny Alien X is Low 2c ,Omnitrix is also Low 2c !!
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Now that I think about it, does recreating the Chronosapien Time Bomb from nothing count for anything?
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Vilgax was given the CTB by Maltruant in the 1700s, and he held onto it through the Universe getting destroyed and recreated by Alien X before using it in And Then There were None.
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Hey, I don't want to bring any shit storm here, but Alien X took a timeline erasure completely unharmed and unfazed, in other words he didn't even know what was even going on. Shouldn't he have much higher than just Low 2-C durability?
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I wouldn't call it timeline erasure since in Ben Again, the past Mr. Smoothy has the old design.
Similar to how the Annihalarg begins a timeline and creates a universe in a void, it also ends the timeline and erases the universe when activated again. The timeline was still there. It is just cut short. Alien X recreated the universe and helped get the timeline to continue on. Think of beginning a line with a pencil, stopping, and continuing with a pen.
Also, it's officially published that Alien X is his most powerful alie , contradicting the previous writer statement saying that he wasn't.
Similar to how the Annihalarg begins a timeline and creates a universe in a void, it also ends the timeline and erases the universe when activated again. The timeline was still there. It is just cut short. Alien X recreated the universe and helped get the timeline to continue on. Think of beginning a line with a pencil, stopping, and continuing with a pen.
Also, it's officially published that Alien X is his most powerful alie , contradicting the previous writer statement saying that he wasn't.
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If the Chronosapien Time Bomb had enough energy to destroy all the timelines, and Alien X recreated it from his own power, shouldn't that make Alien X stronger than the Time Bomb?
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Why is omnitrix and alien x both low 2 c , Naljians are 26+ demensional beings who uses 20+ techonology like omnitrix as toys, Alien X and his race are above naljians omnitrix is a toy compared to a being like alien x.Firestorm808 said:
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26-D???
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My bad i mean they know about 26D+ here but they uses level 20 technology as toys omnitrix is level 20 tech,Alien X exists before the universe was created and it's explotion via self destruction can do anything alien x just like annhalrg couldn't do anything to alien x, Alien X himself is high than naljians.AnonymousBlank said:
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Professor Paradox calls Celestialsapiens "the source of the universe's greatest power" in The Forge of Creation episode of Ultimate Alien. Paradox even has his Chrono Navigator with him. The Omnitrix only contains DNA collected within the Milky Way Galaxy and some from Andromeda.MrLuk2000 said:
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That right there is proof that Paradox isn't above Alien x.Firestorm808 said:
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Alien X Upgrade Summary
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- Ben 10 Alien Force - X = Ben + 2
- Serena: We're the most powerful being in the universe. We change the very nature of space and time.
- Considering future statements about Alien X compared to the rest of the Prime Universe, his Time Manipulation abilities should be at least comparable if not stronger than a Chronosapien's which can reverse a Chronosapien Time Bomb.
- This statement may imply them to be stronger than the Chrono Navigator since they had previously met Paradox who used the device to go anywhere.
- Serena: We're the most powerful being in the universe. We change the very nature of space and time.
- Ben 10 Ultimate Alien - Map of Infinity
- Azmuth: If Aggregor can reassemble the map, he can travel to the forge of creation and gain the greatest power in the universe.
- Ben 10 Ultimate Alien - The Forge of Creation
- Azmuth: Trivialities. While you did it about saving mere planets Aggregor obtained the means to travel to the forge of creation and obtain the greatest power in the universe!
- Azmuth knows all alien DNA in the codon stream, and he still calls Celestialsapiens the greatest power.
- Also, it's officially published that Alien X is his most powerful alie , contradicting the previous writer statement saying that he wasn't .
- Azmuth: It could work. Alien X can do anything.
- These 3 Azmuth statements above again implies Alien X's Time Manipulation is at least comparable if not stronger than a Chronosapien's.
- Paradox: It is the source of the universe's greatest power. It's where ideas become real.
- Paradox: Aggregor intends to absorb the abilities of a newborn Celestialsapien. Should he succeed, he will become omnipotent.
- Paradox says these statements even though his Chrono Navigator can destroy all the timelines. Therefore, Celestialsapiens should be at least comparable if not stronger than the device.
- Azmuth: Trivialities. While you did it about saving mere planets Aggregor obtained the means to travel to the forge of creation and obtain the greatest power in the universe!
- Ben 10 Omniverse - So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies | Ben 10 Omniverse - Universe vs. Tennyso
- Bellicus: Serena. Fine, but the next time the universe and everything in it is destroyed, don't come crying to me.
- Ben: I know, right? I was too late to save the universe, so I used Alien X to make a whole new one.
- Starbeard: Ben Tennyson. Did you think you would escape our notice when you utilized your Celestialsapien form, Alien X, to recreate the entire universe and everything in it?
- Ben: I was too late to save the universe and everything in it from being destroyed, so I used Alien X to make an exact duplicate.
- Alien X recreates the universe and everything in it from his own power.
- Vilgax was in posession of the Chronosapien Time Bomb since the 1700s
- The Chronosapien Time Bomb contains enough energy to destroy all the timelines.
- Alien X has enough energy to create the CTB and everything else in the universe. Alien X should be at least comparable if not stronger than the Chronosapien Time Bomb.
- Alien X recreates the universe and everything in it from his own power.
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Unquantifiable, actually
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Doesn't work like that. The difference between Low 2-C and 2-C is unquantifiable so regardless of how high someone is into Low 2-C or how casual they perform a Low 2-C feat, if they don't have feats of affecting two or more universes, they will still be Low 2-C.
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