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I was asked to comment here. What happened?
azontr
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Nothing much. We're pretty much trying to figure out if Celestialsapiens should get reality warping or some really garbage plot manipulation since they apparently changed the VA's and shit.
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Since you know a bit about universes and stuff wanna answer this
Also found this on Ben 10 wiki
Is this enough for tier 2-C alien x?
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Cartoon Network comic pitch — Tom O'Malley
A selection of pages I wrote for a successful pitch to Warner Bros. to publish a Cartoon Network comic the UK. It was worth it just to discover the joy that is Adventure Time . Zoinks, what a show. Click pics to read at bigger size. An amazing cut-out-and-keep™ chick mawww.tomfreelance.com
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No a random Celestialsapien if that's what you meant
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I wouldn't say it's really garbage tho his plot manip allow him to reshape things into whatever he wants which give him biological manipulation so it's kind a good ability..... I think
azontr
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhh.......
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azontr
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........
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Changing voices and appearances is not enough for plot manipulation, even if the implications are somewhat meta.
They already have universe-scale reality warping, I do not see how this can not be chalked up to that.
Also, being able to "destroy universes" is only a High 3-A to Low 2-C statement. It would only be higher if it was "destroy multiple universes at once".
We tier based on what they're capable of with a single attack. Destroying multiple universes one at a time is not 2-C.
They already have universe-scale reality warping, I do not see how this can not be chalked up to that.
Also, being able to "destroy universes" is only a High 3-A to Low 2-C statement. It would only be higher if it was "destroy multiple universes at once".
We tier based on what they're capable of with a single attack. Destroying multiple universes one at a time is not 2-C.
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Actually no, changing artstyle or voice actor is not the same as biologically changing your appearance and voice, even if you change one's artstyle, their biology information still the same as thus they still retain their biological physiology
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It's stated in the Guide that Alien x can destroy multiple universes by just thinking about it which clearly refers to him doing it in a single attack effortlessly
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If you're talking about the most recent scan posted, I'd say that's a stretch.
It says he can destroy universes in one section, and that he does things via thought in another.
The wording seems to imply it would take multiple thoughts, rather than a single thought.
It may seem like a trivial distinction, but we do our best to be as accurate as possible, especially on higher tiers.
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azontr
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You have to prove he did it by manipulating biology and not just some other power.
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Nah the statement is clear as a day it literally refers to Alien x being effortlessly able to one shots multiple universes by just thinking doing it
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I don't think you need proof for this kind of stuff
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Imagine I said "I can defeat 30 toddlers."
You would not assume I am strong enough to defeat 30 toddlers with one punch all at the same time, you would assume I'd defeat them with one punch each.
You would only assume a single punch if I explicitly said "I can defeat 30 toddlers in a single punch."
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Yes we do assume unless shown otherwise if someone says I can one shot 50 buildings then we assume that he can destroy them in a single punch unless shown otherwise
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You are making an assumption either way, since the wording is ambiguous.
The more conservative assumption simply makes more sense based on the way most people speak.
If I said "A handgun could kill many people," you know that I do not mean the handgun could kill many people in one shot.
The same logic applies to the sentence here about universes.
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So if a character said "I destroyed 1000 universes" we are not going to assume that he is 2-B because we don't know if he destroyed them in a single shot?
azontr
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....Yes. More context is needed.
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Correct. If all we're given is that they "Destroyed 1000 universes."
We know for certain they can destroy a universe,
we do not know for certain how many they destroyed at once, or how long it took.
Therefore, the most evidence leans towards just Low 2-C.
Context is important.
We know for certain they can destroy a universe,
we do not know for certain how many they destroyed at once, or how long it took.
Therefore, the most evidence leans towards just Low 2-C.
Context is important.
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Yes. Context is important. If a character says “I can destroy stars” it doesn’t mean he’s 4-A but 4-C unless proven otherwise.
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Yeah no I disagree when someone says that he performed an action we assume that he can do it immediately and with a single shot it won't make any sense for someone to say that he can destroy 50 buildings while he knows that he can only destroy one at a time unless it was an hyperbole statement
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Right, okay. Next time a boxer tells you that he's beaten 50 people, you should watch out because he could probably punch you in half by that logic.
azontr
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So, you disagree that we need more context than just a single statement to accurately index a character. That's fun.
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I killed 100 people.
Does this mean
a. I killed them all in one fell swoop.
or
b. I killed them one at a time.
Now this is easy. Because that statement lacks context
Does this mean
a. I killed them all in one fell swoop.
or
b. I killed them one at a time.
Now this is easy. Because that statement lacks context
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Okay tell me why would someone say that he can destroy multiple universes if he knows that he can only destroy one at a time? That literally doesn't make sense
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oh nice false equivalance. a boxer doesnt have the range to K.O 50 people while alien x have and you still need to prove that he didnt do at the same time
azontr
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Because they can still destroy multiple universes. Just not in a single shot. Which is the criteria that we use to give a character a tier.
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