TypeOU
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yeah, just saying that there's no need to go on with this debate
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Alien X 3-A Downgrade
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Holy Alabama, agree FRA
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Not only to mention that the Guide itself says Alien x can destroy and create entire universes
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Which, again, changes nothing. It was addressed in the last thread already.
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In the last thread it was agreed to be 3-A, no ?
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Yes, that is why nothing changes the downgrade.
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I know I was adressing the people who said that Alien x is below 3-A
TypeOU
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sad.
sad.
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they hate success.
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Big Bang is not exactly an explosion either, unless you on top of it and tank it a point blank. other than that no because after a second or two it is not an explosion anymore, just an expansion, inflation of space-time
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Exactly. The expansion of newly created matter or space-time is not an attack, so I’m not at all sure how “surviving” the creation is a durability feat of any kind.
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Then Mind telling me why they need a barrier to protect themselves from the Big Bang if it doesn't cause any harm? And why Alien x was needed to destroy the barrier?
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Bump.
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@Antvasima @DarkDragonMedeus
Could you help clarify how the recent changes to the site's Big Bang Page in relation to Low 2-C should be applied in the current scenario?
We start off in a timeless void. A device activates to create a universe and its time. We are told that an extra-dimensional field blocks the device's release of 4-D energy. To the creator's knowledge, it is impossible to breach. However, Alien X DNA is able to breach the extra-dimensional field. After the device's release of the 4-D energy, Feedback is able to pull it all back to its point of origin, undoing the expansion of the Universal Space-time.
Could you help clarify how the recent changes to the site's Big Bang Page in relation to Low 2-C should be applied in the current scenario?
We start off in a timeless void. A device activates to create a universe and its time. We are told that an extra-dimensional field blocks the device's release of 4-D energy. To the creator's knowledge, it is impossible to breach. However, Alien X DNA is able to breach the extra-dimensional field. After the device's release of the 4-D energy, Feedback is able to pull it all back to its point of origin, undoing the expansion of the Universal Space-time.
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What do you need?
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@DarkDragonMedeus
At the moment, we're discerning whether or not the Universe and Time creating Annihilargh is Low 2-C and working from there.
At the moment, we're discerning whether or not the Universe and Time creating Annihilargh is Low 2-C and working from there.
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Well, based on the paragraph description, that does sound like a Low 2-C statement yeah. Short answer is that a Big Bang is supposed to be a "Cosmic Inflation in Time and Space" as opposed to a big explosion. Which is Low 2-C as opposed to 3-A; though most fictions treat it like the latter. But I see Tier 2 descriptions from what I'm hearing here.
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Thanks for your help. Would the Low 2-C rating scale to the Extra-Dimensional Field, Alien X AP, and Feedback's Hax?
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ive been sayin that since this thread started At least 3-B, possibly 3-A
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Can you elaborate which points you are leaning towards?
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Mainly the fact that the Annihilarg's destruction wasn't proven to be that of the entire timeline and was just the universe at that present moment. That and how tanking a natural Big Bang isn't evidence of Low 2-C durability in and of itself.
Rez
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It isn't natural though but I get what you are trying to say and what about the second annilargh which created universe's space time
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In reference to the finale, the Extra-Dimensional Field stops both the physical and non-physical aspects of the Low 2-C Big Bang. To the creator's knowledge, it is impossible to breach. However, Alien X DNA is able to breach the extra-dimensional field. After the device's expansion of the Low 2-C energy, Feedback is able to pull it all back to its point of origin, undoing the expansion of the Universal Space-time.
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Hmm, that last feat looks somewhat promising for Low 2-C. I'll switch to neutral then.
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Can you link or quote the statements on this?
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Agree with 3-A Alien X.
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Also Zamasu should be allowed to give counters.
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Tbf the first Big Bang is portrayed as a physical explosion. That said you could argue that Maltruant’s goal was to create the same construct as the second Big Bang did, only with the modification that everyone now worships him, so he’d still need Low 2-C amounts of energy. However this would only scale to Feedback unless my reasoning allows for the barrier to be low 2-C in durability as well or if we scale the amount of energy of the creation of the universe to its destruction later down the line, due to it obviously using the same energy source, however the Annihilaargh also EE’s stuff so not too sure about that (we really should update the pages to reflect the arguments that pro- and contra sides use btw, such as EE and their tiers and what not).
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I think at the very least an explanation change is very much due and really I think most creation feats beyond Star level also need one since the standards aren’t just the physical mass of the object but the space between them
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This is not a Big Bang either.
So we are clear there are 7 different things at play here:
1) the Annihilaargh that the Contumelia use to create a universe. This is portrayed as a space-time expansion.
2) the modified Annihilaargh (the original being Nr. 3) Maltruant (powered by a dwarf star core) uses to create a universe in his image. This is portrayed as a physical explosion but one could argue it has comparable energy to Nr. 1.
3) the Annihilaargh that the Contumelia have on their ship that accidentally destroyed the universe, which is later by Rook elaborated on to destroy the opposite of what the first one creates, since he uses the word universe for both in the same sentence. (And considering the first Annihilaargh actually created the timestream, you could and should argue this one actually destroys the timestream = all timelines)
4) Alien X recreating the universe that Nr. 3 destroyed.
5) Alien X’s DNA piercing the barrier that protects against 1 and 2.
6) the statement that says AX can create and destroy entire universes
7) Feedback absorbing Nr. 2
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The barrier has no reason to have Low 2-C durability. The device wasn't even going to be used there but outside (not that it changes things), it wouldn't be taking the "energies" of the timeline being made but the part of the Big Bang that would reach them in the present, because they experience things in the present like you and me (yes, even in a place w/o time), they have no reason to be affected by the realize of energies in the past and future of the timeline because they don't exist all the way in those points in time. And even if the they were hit by the Big Bang in all points in time that would only be High 3-A as they occupy a very limited amount of space, unlike the whole universe.
Feedback's hax is still Low 2-C due to this, the feat can be seen as 3-A for Alien X.
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