Alien X 3-A Downgrade

[Sus]

wait till @AblanGG comes with his 4th H1A Alien X CRT

 

[My_area]

For the record, I disagree with 3-A downgrade but unfortunately I dont have much time to research the episodes again and go in detail with my counters to the points in OP as well as Eficiente points. I will try to find time

Just trying to clarify my stance in here

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Eh wasn't a Fraction of Alien x DNA able to break through a barrier that was supposed to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh?

 

[Sus]

Eh wasn't a Fraction of Alien x DNA able to break through a barrier that was supposed to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh?

they can lowball this to 3A too
heck, 11C even

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Eh wasn't a Fraction of Alien x DNA able to break through a barrier that was supposed to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh?

That just means X scales far above regular 3-A.

 

[Eficiente]

Combat between 2 Celestialsapiens includes them punching each other and using their powers, with mostly the former being used. It should stand to reason that they're 3-A by punching and in durability as they could otherwise simply teleport away and leave where they were some 3-B explosion for their opponent to face, or something. Yes there are no 3-A feats w/o scaling but this should still be the case out of common sense.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Yes but wasn't the barrier supposed to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh? That's my question

 

[Tots_Real]

Wasn't Maltruant whole plan to use his own Annihilargh to create a version of reality in his image, how would he have done that if it was only 3-A exactly?

 

[Eficiente]

If you read my comment you will see that the Annihilargh's destruction doesn't need to be at the same level as what its creation does. The thing still destroys and creates a universe, saying that isn't wrong, it's we that we give tiers and terms over how the process of things are done, in this case createing the universe creates a timeline and so that's Low 2-C while destroying the universe...destroys the universe, and so that's 3-A. If a weapon were to "freeze or burn to ashes a builting" then 1 thing's tier doesn't mean the other needs to put up as much power and create as much destruction, as 1 of hundreds of examples I could make.

Ooor, Maltruant creates a universe with a 3-A device like a 3-A big bang and thenaccelerates time to arrive at a new present, can that be an option?

 

[TokiNoOuja]

but mentioning theory alone doesn't prove that verse follows it.

But didnt Paradox Says the Cosmology was related to String Theory?

 

[DaReaperMan]

But didnt Paradox Says the Cosmology was related to String Theory?

String theory literally means nothing to our tiering system, its just Unknown.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

String theory literally means nothing to our tiering system, its just Unknown.

Did their is a page or a thread about String Theory that cant be used for out term?i want to see it for more information

 

[DaReaperMan]

Did their is a page or a thread about String Theory that cant be used for out term?i want to see it for more information

It's because of what String Theory is. String Dimensions are not the same as coordinate dimensions, in fact they loop in on themselves and higher string dimensions can be smaller than lower ones.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

If you read my comment you will see that the Annihilargh's destruction doesn't need to be at the same level as what its creation does. The thing still destroys and creates a universe, saying that isn't wrong, it's we that we give tiers and terms over how the process of things are done, in this case createing the universe creates a timeline and so that's Low 2-C while destroying the universe...destroys the universe, and so that's 3-A. If a weapon were to "freeze or burn to ashes a builting" then 1 thing's tier doesn't mean the other needs to put up as much power and create as much destruction, as 1 of hundreds of examples I could make

Tbh that's kind a headcanon and an assumption if someone was stated to create and destroy something then we assume that his creation and destruction use the same amount of energy unless shown otherwise that's how things always worked so no disagree with that

 

[My_area]

Yes but wasn't the barrier supposed to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh? That's my question

Wasn't it just to keep Annihilaarg protected? I dont honestly remember.

Wasn't Maltruant whole plan to use his own Annihilargh to create a version of reality in his image, how would he have done that if it was only 3-A exactly?

Just use his own modifed version of Annihilarg to create the space of the universe in his image, dont see why Low 2-C is needed to create universe in his own image.

But didnt Paradox Says the Cosmology was related to String Theory?

He just said they have to brush up on quantam mechanics and string theory, but makes no mention of cosmology following string theory I believe. It wouldn't follow string theory anyways since Ben 10 verse has 26 dimensions anyways as opposed to 10 or 11 dimensions in string theory.

 

[DragonLord]

Really the “creating the universe” being Low 2-C because a universe definition includes a timeline while Universe destruction isn’t because “writers don’t always consider the timeline a part of the universe” seems like oddly contradictory rules in the first place. If most creators don’t consider the timeline a part of the universe despite it’s definition. The creation of the universe wouldn’t be Low 2-C ether

there’s also the general problem that most of the universe isn’t pure energy that may actually be 4-A to 3-C. Or so I’m told.

 

[Livinmeme]

Creating a universe without time is Low 2-C as you need to create the spaces and the time AKA: 3+1 dimensions

 

[CBslayeR]

yo while we're here can we give Albedo a key with Alien X since the DS game where he gets it is referenced in the show

 

[Rez]

Annihilarg only created/destroyed a universe, it has no relation to where Contemillas comes from ie a 5th dimension except it being experiment for Contemilias.

It does though these same guys needed an forcefield to protect them from the release of energy that comes with aniilargh

 

[My_area]

It does though these same guys needed an forcefield to protect them from the release of energy that comes with aniilargh

Is that so? Thats simple, it just means they are weaker than annihilarg if they need shielding from its energy.

 

[Rez]

Is that so? Thats simple, it just means they are weaker than annihilarg if they need shielding from its energy.

And that means they can't be higher dimensional not by this wiki's standards

 

[Daddybrawl]

Creating a universe without time is Low 2-C as you need to create the spaces and the time AKA: 3+1 dimensions

…?
Creating a Universe… without time… requires you to create space… and time?
what?

 

[Rez]

…?
Creating a Universe… without time… requires you to create space… and time?

Yes creating universe from a timeless void requires one to create space and time

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

For a second there I thought it meant creating a universe without creating time requires you to make space and time lol

 

[DragonLord]

Yes creating universe from a timeless void requires one to create space and time

I suppose that makes sense but that seems rather specific. If we’re under the rules of “creators don’t consider X” many don’t even see the world before the creation of the universe as one without Time.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Creating a universe without time is Low 2-C as you need to create the spaces and the time AKA: 3+1 dimensions

The wording on this could’ve been better.

 

[Rez]

I suppose that makes sense but that seems rather specific. If we’re under the rules of “creators don’t consider X” many don’t even see the world before the creation of the universe as one without Time.

And why is it not timeless? The characters themselves states time is not a thing there and Maltruant wasn't able to use his time related powers because of this same reason

 

[Livinmeme]

The wording on this could’ve been better.

Still

 

[Gohanblanco217]

It does though these same guys needed an forcefield to protect them from the release of energy that comes with aniilargh

So the barriers that Alien x broke was a barrier that was meant to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh then right?

 

[Rez]

So the barriers that Alien x broke was a barrier that was meant to protect the Contumelia from the Annihilaargh then right?

Yes

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Yes

But can you pls show me where was it stated that Contumelia were using the barrier to protect themselves from the explosion?

 

[Rez]

But can you pls show me where was it stated that Contumelia were using the barrier to protect themselves from the explosion?

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Then this should be used as a justification for Alien x durability since he was physically able to break through a 3-A barrier using a fraction of his power

 

[Rez]

Then this should be used as a justification for Alien x durability since he was physically able to break through a 3-A barrier using a fraction of his power

Low 2-C barrier

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Low 2-C barrier

Eh.... Yeah

 

[Firestorm808]

Sorry for the late reply. I've been busy with work and stuff.

I was going to mention Alien X breaking through the barrier that protects against an unmodified Low-2-C Annihilargh, but you guys already got it up.

Also, as per site rules, we ignore author statements if it's not supported by the source material.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

How

Wasn't it just to keep Annihilaarg protected? I dont honestly remember.

Just use his own modifed version of Annihilarg to create the space of the universe in his image, dont see why Low 2-C is needed to create universe in his own image.

He just said they have to brush up on quantam mechanics and string theory, but makes no mention of cosmology following string theory I believe. It wouldn't follow string theory anyways since Ben 10 verse has 26 dimensions anyways as opposed to 10 or 11 dimensions in string theory.

How about this?

 

[My_area]

And that means they can't be higher dimensional not by this wiki's standards

By AP yes due to wiki standards.

How

How about this?

Well, we dont use twitter statements unless they are supported in the show..

 

[Firestorm808]

How

How about this?

https://archive.is/D6uki

I would have to confer with the other staff, but I believe this can be used in some way for another topic. Duncan is elaborating on Paradox's words. He's specifying the branch of Quantum Mechanics and String Theory that Paradox says one needs to know to understand their multiverse.

 

[Avengershows]

Kekw agree with 3A FRA