Ajimu Najimi (No PIS and CIS) vs Lucifer Morningstar

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

1. Who is overall strongest character in your opinion?

2. Both will fight at their full power, who will win?

 

[Aparajita]

Lucifer's speed is massively higher than Ajimu IIRC, as his speed transcends time and space of the entire multiverse, whereas Ajimu's speed is nigh omnipresent within a single universe.

Idk, i'd like to give this to Lucifer, but Ajimu's weird.

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

Lucifer's speed is massively higher than Ajimu IIRC, as his speed transcends time and space of the entire multiverse, whereas Ajimu's speed is nigh omnipresent within a single universe.
Idk, i'd like to give this to Lucifer, but Ajimu's weird.

By defenition Ajimu is true infinity. soo..

 

[Primaris_Brian]

well before we already talking about ajimu and tell what wrong with her ability and her feats:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/252943

 

[Aurugermil]

By defenition Ajimu is true infinity. soo..

Ajimu lied to you. She used her Skeleton Three Card (õ©ëµ×Üõ©ëþ£ø, Sukereton Sur─½ K─üdo): Comedian skill, so you think that she is a true infinity when actually she is not.

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

well before we already talking about ajimu and tell what wrong with her ability and her feats:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/252943

You are saying by feats Ajimu gets stomped?

 

[GreatestSin]

feat-wise: lucifer

from how ajimu is described to be: ajimu every time

 

[Primaris_Brian]

yep, because skills without feats is called Hyperbole

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

yep, because skills without feats is called Hyperbole

Someone said Ajimu stomps Lucifer by her defenition. What would you say about it?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

yep, because skills without feats is called Hyperbole

defenition? what defenition? Hyperbole?

 

[GreatestSin]

^it is not really hyperbole, context is needed in order to say it is one, and this dont really look like exaggarationsand note that they are not even close to all the powers she has (around 12.000.000.000+)):

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/34507/729240-medakabox_ch143_02.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126968/3256982-9026112228-umeda.jpg

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^it is not really hyperbole, context is needed in order to say it is one, and this dont really look like exaggarationsand note that they are not even close to all the powers she has (around 12.000.000.000+)):

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/34507/729240-medakabox_ch143_02.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126968/3256982-9026112228-umeda.jpg

Skills without feats is meaningless, and all her power is pretty much just her using against an opponent far lower than even universe/galaxy/star /and even planet level..... and so what is she has trillion of skills? if she not use them or even explain them then it's meaningless, how anyone can even take her seriously is beyond me.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

also is I even need to tell you how many character in marvel that has been said over and over again as omnipotent? even by the author himself? and if that make all of them automatically reach Tier-0 or high 1-A?

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

^it is not really hyperbole, context is needed in order to say it is one, and this dont really look like exaggarationsand note that they are not even close to all the powers she has (around 12.000.000.000+)):

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/34507/729240-medakabox_ch143_02.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111126968/3256982-9026112228-umeda.jpg

Skills without feats is meaningless, and all her power is pretty much just her using against an opponent far lower than even universe/galaxy/star /and even planet level..... and so what is she has trillion of skills? if she not use them or even explain them then it's meaningless, how anyone can even take her seriously is beyond me.

What do you mean taking her seriously? Then why she is in this wiki? ofcourse people will take her seriously. Her skills is > Lucifer. Same as they are doing to Saitama (LOL).

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Read This:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/203490

 

[GreatestSin]

Skills without feats is meaningless, and all her power is pretty much just her using against an opponent far lower than even universe/galaxy/star /and even planet level..... and so what is she has trillion of skills? if she not use them or even explain them then it's meaningless, how anyone can even take her seriously is beyond me.

they arent meaningless but not really impressive, and they are not hyperboles, my entire point, she has skills like "being stronger than you" or "always winning",

therefore: by definition of what she is able to do: ajimu wins everytime,

by what she showed to be able to do: lucifer wins...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

those skills is nothing more than probability manipulation and lucifer is Omnilock ...and now you just NLF her to the max, you can't just say she will win against everyone..

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

those skills is nothing more than probability manipulation and lucifer is Omnilock ...and now you just NLF her to the max, you can't just say she will win against everyone..

Lets says Ajimu became 'God' which describes 'Omnipotent' by using her one of the skills. What can Lucifer do at that point?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

those skills is nothing more than probability manipulation and lucifer is Omnilock ...and now you just NLF her to the max, you can't just say she will win against everyone..

Lets says Ajimu became 'God' which describes 'Omnipotent' by using her one of the skills. What can Lucifer do at that point?

huhh comment from:
A6coluteShe also has a "Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill.

Even 8 tier chars can have "Infinity" abilities.

Even 10 tier chars can be a god.

and my comment: also is I even need to tell you how many character in marvel that has been said over and over again as omnipotent? even by the author himself? and if that make all of them automatically reach Tier-0 or high 1-A? yeah keep NLF her to the max...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hell as far as i know even juubi in his first form is described as have immeasurable power...and mavis is described to have unlimited energy.. so does with saitama..

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

those skills is nothing more than probability manipulation and lucifer is Omnilock ...and now you just NLF her to the max, you can't just say she will win against everyone..

Lets says Ajimu became 'God' which describes 'Omnipotent' by using her one of the skills. What can Lucifer do at that point?

huhh comment from:
A6coluteShe also has a "Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill.

Even 8 tier chars can have "Infinity" abilities.

Even 10 tier chars can be a god.

and my comment: also is I even need to tell you how many character in marvel that has been said over and over again as omnipotent? even by the author himself? and if that make all of them automatically reach Tier-0 or high 1-A? yeah keep NLF her to the max...

Oh I see, can you provide me a a tier 10 character has 'Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill. 'Character must have same skills as Ajimu.

Also I don't think Ajimu is from Marvel or DC. Her logic is different.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Jim makes alot of sense.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Oh I see, can you provide me a a tier 10 character has 'Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill. 'Character must have same skills as Ajimu.

Also I don't think Ajimu is from Marvel or DC. Her logic is different.

Stop No - limits fallacy her! I already gave you many example and now you just using , Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition to the max!

and leard all the fallacy in here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy#16._No_-_limits_fallacy_.28NLF.29

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Jim makes alot of sense.

seriously if we will accept any omnipotent claim just by be described as omnipotent then this site will full of a bunch of Tier 0..

 

[KuuIchigo]

I agree. Reading stuff about Ajimu, she is almost featless.

 

[Hellspawn_Barbarian]

Oh I see, can you provide me a a tier 10 character has 'Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill. 'Character must have same skills as Ajimu.

Also I don't think Ajimu is from Marvel or DC. Her logic is different.

Stop No - limits fallacy her! I already gave you many example and now you just using , Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition to the max!
and leard all the fallacy in here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy#16._No_-_limits_fallacy_.28NLF.29

Oh ok sorry about that. I think what I am trying to say is Ajimu has more skills than Lucifer. But oh well then. Let me guess that you saying Lucifer defeats her.


Off topic: Can you give a an Tier 10 character having Control Infinity Skill" and a "Become God" skill. It will be actually helpful to me.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hell as far as i know even juubi in his first form is described as have immeasurable power...and mavis is described to have unlimited energy.. so does with saitama..

I cant, but i can give you this.. and even kaguya has been describe as god...so does with many FT that have god slaying ability and later god or many marvel gods... and most of them is fodders to tier 2 or 1..

 

[KuuIchigo]

I believe he ment a character that is considered a god in there own verse can be a tier 10 or 8. Even a character with "infinite skills" can be a low tier.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^ Hell almost every verse pretty much have gods, or someone who has god in their name or title..

 

[KuuIchigo]

Yeah, most verse has that one person that gets called a god or calls themselves a god and they aren't even that strong.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

and wherever can use infinite something in their ability or can use for example mavis infinite source of Magic Power mean they can control infinity.

 

[GreatestSin]

Stop No - limits fallacy her! I already gave you many example and now you just using , Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition to the max!

and leard all the fallacy in here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy#16._No_-_limits_fallacy_.28NLF.29

there is a problem,

ajimus skills are named and have a very specific effect, "become pregnant" is one, that means she can make people become pregnant, "kill in one attack" means that the victim is killed in one attack, i would agree that it is NLF if she got "superstrength" where we have no idea about how strong she becomes,

but most of her skillset are easy to understand "one purpose" abilitys...

this is why i said that per description of what she can do she will take this match (she even has a ability that is literally only a skill of "being stronger than you"), feat-wise lucifer takes it...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Stop No - limits fallacy her! I already gave you many example and now you just using , Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition to the max!

and leard all the fallacy in here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fallacy#16._No_-_limits_fallacy_.28NLF.29

there is a problem,
ajimus skills are named and have a very specific effect, "become pregnant" is one, that means she can make people become pregnant, "kill in one attack" means that the victim is killed in one attack, i would agree that it is NLF if she got "superstrength" where we have no idea about how strong she becomes,

but most of her skillset are easy to understand "one purpose" abilitys...

so does with itachi sharingan, amaterasu..or Yata Mirror which describe to completely negate any attack..

 

[Primaris_Brian]

yep, because skills without feats is called Hyperbole

my points still stand, her greatest feats(erase star) is nothing to 2-C..since even thanos with the infinity gauntlet can do much more than that(like erase half the life in universe) by snapping his finger.

 

[GreatestSin]

so does with itachi sharingan, amaterasu..or Yata Mirror which describe to completely negate any attack..

you compare apples with books,

itachis and ajimus cases are otally different...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

so does with itachi sharingan, amaterasu..or Yata Mirror which describe to completely negate any attack..

you compare apples with books,
itachis and ajimus cases are otally different...

The point is both of them is never show feats to support their claim...

 

[KuuIchigo]

Idk, I feel like Ajimu is the definition of NLF.

 

[GreatestSin]

The point is both of them is never show feats to support their claim...

it is not like they lie, the author itself states their powers :/

^nah, she was more created for highlighting the repeating cliche that no matter how powerfula villian is, as long as the enemy is the main character, the villian will lose

 

[A6colute]

she was more created for highlighting the repeating cliche that no matter how powerfula villian is, as long as the enemy is the main character, the villian will lose

Yes. But we have one problem - she never shows any powerfull skill. Erasing a point of light from the sky - her biggest feat. And it's... pitifull. Really.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

The point is both of them is never show feats to support their claim...

it is not like they lie, the author itself states their powers :/
^nah, she was more created for highlighting the repeating cliche that no matter how powerfula villian is, as long as the enemy is the main character, the villian will lose

actually its more like (qoute from UmbryTiddlywink) She was used as an example to show that no matter how strong a character is, no matter what abilities they have, the author still gets to decide who gets rekt.