Aizen vs Madara

[Robo432343]

Sosuke Aizen

Sōsuke Aizen (藍あい染ぜん 惣そう右す介け, Aizen Sōsuke?) is the former captain of the 5th Division in the Gotei 13. He later leaves Soul Society with his followers, Gin Ichimaru and Kaname Tōsen. His lieutenant was Momo Hinamori. He formerly served as the lieutenant of the 5th Division under Shinji Hirako...

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Madara Uchiha

Madara Uchiha was a legendary leader of the Uchiha clan. He founded Konohagakure alongside his rival, Hashirama Senju, with the intention of beginning an era of peace. When the two couldn't agree how to achieve that peace, they fought for control of the village, a conflict that ended in Madara's...

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Both 5-C
SBA
Speed Equal

 

[PatatesR]

Aizen one shot with sc

 

[M_Animefan]

Aizen one shots with Reitsu Crush lol..

 

[TauanVictor]

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Aizen

 

[Robo432343]

goku

 

[Memonto_Mori]

aizen one shot
both goku victim

 

[Robo432343]

Goku.

 

[Robo432343]

Does anyone know what madara starts with

 

[That_moron2]

Does anyone know what madara starts with

Fire style attacks.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

aizen one shots

 

[Robo432343]

Fire style attacks.

No genjutsu?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

No genjutsu?

Does genjutsu work on Bleach characters? This seems unlikely due to the resistances in soul physiology.

 

[That_moron2]

No genjutsu?

Nope. He's only used that twice iirc, once against the Raikage and then the Infinite Tsukuyomi

 

[Jaakor48]

Chakra is a combination of both physical and spiritual energy, SC isn't ending Madara here imho


KS is easily countered by his sharingan

Speed equal means Madara has a huge edge with his sharingan precog in both defence and offence


Now I am not sure if this aizen has the hog, assuming it's the key specified in the link, then it's just normal aizen. He isn't getting past PS


Madara can oneshot with genjutsu it doesn't start with it and barely uses it

Imho, 50/50 leaning towards Madara should he start abusing his genjutsu

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Chakra is a combination of both physical and spiritual energy, SC isn't ending Madara here imho

Dude, there is no such thing, Madara must have Soul Mp resistance to resist RC.

KS is easily countered by his sharingan

wait a minute what..

Speed equal means Madara has a huge edge with his sharingan precog in both defence and offence

How did you make such a sense? As far as I see, HG form is at 5c key in Aizen in the first place

This probably proves what an overwhelming advantage Aizen has when it comes to Hax.

Madara can oneshot with genjutsu it doesn't start with it and barely uses it

Read about the physiology of the soul. Bleach characters are not affected by features such as genjutsu

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

If someone says there is resistance to Spirit Manipulation in Madara's profile, this resistance is in the Edo Tensei Key and the resistance part in the RSM form explains why it does not scale to the 5c form.

 

[Ang4I00]

Which 5-C key for Madara we are using? Juubidara with Dual Rinne or One Rinne + Obitos MS?

Anyways, who has the better scaling chain?

I think you can resist RC if you have high enough durability, in case of Madara his physical dura should scale to his soul dura since chakra is spiritual and physical in nature, but I'm not sure if its accepted here.

 

[Robo432343]

Which 5-C key for Madara we are using? Juubidara with Dual Rinne or One Rinne + Obitos MS?

Anyways, who has the better scaling chain?

I think you can resist RC if you have high enough durability, in case of Madara his physical dura should scale to his soul dura since chakra is spiritual and physical in nature, but I'm not sure if its accepted here.

Sba assumes strongest 5-c madara

 

[TinYareYare]

Passive Reiatsu is ee ? I don't know because i haven't read Bleach

 

[Ang4I00]

Passive Reiatsu is ee ? I don't know because i haven't read Bleach

It's not on his 5-C key, Madara resists EE anyways

 

[Ang4I00]

How's Aizen dealing any damage to Juubidara with Reiatsu? Since SBA assumes Verse Equalization, Reaitsu will not affect Juubidara cuz of his invulnerability.

 

[Ang4I00]

Voting Madara for now, since I don't see how Aizen will affect Madara due to his invulnerability and Madara can EE him with TSB I guess

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I think you can resist RC if you have high enough durability, in case of Madara his physical dura should scale to his soul dura since chakra is spiritual and physical in nature, but I'm not sure if its accepted here.

If you want to resist this, then you need to have soul mp resistance, As far as I know, this is the situation on the wiki.

 

[Ang4I00]

If you want to resist this, then you need to have soul mp resistance, As far as I know, this is the situation on the wiki.

How would it interact with Madaras invulnerability tho? Since SBA means Verse Equalization, Reiryoku and by extent Reiatsu should be equalised to Chakra, Madara in his Juubidara state is invulnerable to Chakra that isn't Sage Chakra.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

How would it interact with Madaras invulnerability tho? Since SBA means Verse Equalization, Reiryoku and by extent Reiatsu should be equalised to Chakra, Madara in his Juubidara state is invulnerable to Chakra that isn't Sage Chakra.

Thanks to universe equalization, you cannot resist the crushing of Reiatsu. Even if you equalize this, there is still a crush and what exactly is the ap value of both characters?

invulnerability

Also, what is this thing you have been talking about, what do you mean when you say invulnerability?

 

[Ang4I00]

Thanks to universe equalization, you cannot resist the crushing of Reiatsu. Even if you equalize this, there is still a crush and what exactly is the ap value of both characters?

Ik there is still a crush, thats not what was I arguing, I was more so asking how RC would interact with Madaras immunity to be harmed by any ninjutsu(which are exertion of chakra) and, basically, chakra except natural chakra. I'm also curious about the values, so I don't know.

Also, what is this thing you have been talking about, what do you mean when you say invulnerability?

Invulnerability (Juubi Jinchūriki are impervious to ninjutsu, which includes energy and elemental attacks, with the exception of those that contain natural energy)

It's on his profile

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Ik there is still a crush, thats not what was I arguing, I was more so asking how RC would interact with Madaras immunity to be harmed by any ninjutsu(which are exertion of chakra) and, basically, chakra except natural chakra. I'm also curious about the values, so I don't know.

There's still crush in this. Yes. But it is absurd to think that you can resist RC with all your energy with universe synchronization, because RC does not only have soul mp in it.

Invulnerability

Coming to this issue, thanks to Limited Invulnerability, Madara still cannot defend himself from attacks containing natural energy. And even if there is no such thing, it still does not prevent RC. It will also overcome Madara with things like Improved Sealing.

 

[PatatesR]

I said Aizen was one shot, but this may not be the case since the layer system has changed. I would like to change my comment and state that if the sc takes at least 1 layer, it will be a single shot.

 

[Ang4I00]

There's still crush in this. Yes. But it is absurd to think that you can resist RC with all your energy with universe synchronization, because RC does not only have soul mp in it.

Ik it comes with more things than just Soul Manip, but it doesn't matter if Madara is invulnerable to his energy(Reiryoku) altogether, so any exertion of said energy(which what RC is) shouldn't harm Madara at all, unless Idk how Verse Equalization works here.

Coming to this issue, thanks to Limited Invulnerability, Madara still cannot defend himself from attacks containing natural energy. And even if there is no such thing, it still does not prevent RC. It will also overcome Madara with things like Improved Sealing.

It's not limited, not listed as such at least. Yes, Natural Energy(not any natural energy, its specific inverse energy system, cause even regular chakra can create/manipulate natural elements) can harm him, but Aizen doesn't have access to it so it shouldn't matter here. What sealing are you talking about, can you be a bit specific?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Ik it comes with more things than just Soul Manip, but it doesn't matter if Madara is invulnerable to his energy(Reiryoku) altogether, so any exertion of said energy(which what RC is) shouldn't harm Madara at all, unless Idk how Verse Equalization works here.

I asked one of the Moderators interested in the subject by opening a question and answer question, I think he agrees with me.

It's not limited,

Huh?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I said Aizen was one shot, but this may not be the case since the layer system has changed. I would like to change my comment and state that if the sc takes at least 1 layer, it will be a single shot.

There is no need for layers as Madara has no Resistance.

 

[Ang4I00]

Huh?

My bad, didn't notice it

 

[PatatesR]

There is no need for layers as Madara has no Resistance.

Shouldn't every character scaled on kcm1 naruto have soul mp resistance? Edo Madara was getting soul MP resistance from his soul returning. I don't think it would be something unique to Naruto for Edo Nagato not being able to absorb KCM1 Naruto's soul.

 

[Ang4I00]

I asked one of the Moderators interested in the subject by opening a question and answer question, I think he agrees with me.

That question doesn't really apply here, since we are talking about Madaras Invulneralability vs Reiatsu, of course chakra = soul wouldn't give you resistance to RC, since you would need still need to show resistance to it, but Madara is invulnerable completely to chakra and its exertions, which in this case is equated to Reiryoku, while RC is exertion of it, meaning he should be logically immune to RC, per my understanding of Verse Equalization on this wiki, would love to see Bleach supporters here.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Shouldn't every character scaled on kcm1 naruto have soul mp resistance?

No. I don't think so and it's not like that on the site anyway.

Edo Madara was getting soul MP resistance from his soul returning.

A resistance specific to the edo state only

 

[CryptonBestDbFan]

I think Aizen will win easily with reiatsu crush

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

That question doesn't really apply here, since we are talking about Madaras Invulneralability vs Reiatsu, of course chakra = soul wouldn't give you resistance to RC, since you would need still need to show resistance to it, but Madara is invulnerable completely to chakra and its exertions, which in this case is equated to Reiryoku, while RC is exertion of it, meaning he should be logically immune to RC, per my understanding of Verse Equalization on this wiki, would love to see Bleach supporters here.

No such thing. Can you please stop talking like you know so much about a site you've just learned about, because it's starting to annoy me, just like repeating what you said after answering it many times?

invulnerable

This damn thing is limited and can't resist things like RC, it just prevents it from getting damaged. Even the Seals in the Aizen's inventory will overcome this.

 

[Ang4I00]

No such thing. Can you please stop talking like you know so much about a site you've just learned about, because it's starting to annoy me, just like repeating what you said after answering it many times?

I've been following the site for an extensive amount of time, but didn't create an account because I couldn't properly register and that's literally a non factor here. I'm repeating the same thing because you're not answering that thing, you bring up irrelevant points, which i still try to answer as much as I can due to you using translator or something, because I can't understand your grammar half of the time.

This damn thing is limited and can't resist things like RC, it just prevents it from getting damaged. Even the Seals in the Aizen's inventory will overcome this.

Its limited because Natural Energy can bypass it, but Aizen doesn't have it. And I literally asked you about the seals, trying my hardest to not repeat the same point over again, but u didn't answer me.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This is a major stomp in Aizen's favor.

Madara doesn't resist RC, and he can't do anything about Aizen's Immortality and Regen.