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Yeah I think so,that idea comes from an oudated discussion afterall
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Adding note for Acausality type 5
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I think so yeah.
If there's a need in the future, I'll try to see; but there's none so far.
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It would depend of what gives them type 5, but I would say that it doesnt have to be the case.
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But transcending all causality systems is the only reason for type 5,isn't it?
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So type 5 acauasl is the the new NEP 2 when it comes to being able to affect them.
As mentioned above they're truly are just invulnerability with extra panache.
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If the previous Type 1 and 2 Concepts could affect Acausality Type 5 by being Transcendent of Reality, then Higher Dimensional stuff should work as Acausality Type 5 hasn't been changed, only Concpetual Manipulation.
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Hey Yuri, does it means that a character with resistance to cm2 can resist cm1 now? As it isnt something like "Transcendental"
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Their still different things, Transcendently different no. But their is still clear superiority, as Type 1 is still Type 2 but above Reality and not intertwined with it.
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Not necessarily above, but otherwise yeah.
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They aren't just outside Reality they are "completely independent from the Reality they govern"
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But if someone is outside of the reality that they govern and this reality is all in the verse? That mean, outside all law, concepts, everything in the verse
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So what is the specific default relationship between concept manipulation type 1 and acausality type 5 being suggested?
I don't think the definition of the acausality in itself implies a resistance to concept manipulation. One could argue that the definition to concept manipulation per default also doesn't imply effectiveness against acausals, though.
Basically, I don't think we can generalize towards a default state. It depends on which way one is acausal and which concepts can be manipulated and possibly the nature of said concepts.
Basically, the interaction would be inconclusive until the mechanisms are examined.
I don't think the definition of the acausality in itself implies a resistance to concept manipulation. One could argue that the definition to concept manipulation per default also doesn't imply effectiveness against acausals, though.
Basically, I don't think we can generalize towards a default state. It depends on which way one is acausal and which concepts can be manipulated and possibly the nature of said concepts.
Basically, the interaction would be inconclusive until the mechanisms are examined.
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Tbh I'd appreciate Agnaas and Ultimas opinions here as well. They seem very knowledgeable on this stuff.
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That was? (For Acsaulity, I know why it got Type 1)
Also it would only be Incon if its a being with Acausality 5 who has no feats of affecting Abstract Existence versus a being with Abstract Existence who has no feats of affecting Acausality 5. Most Acausality 5 in higher tiers are Abstract Existence so that would be moot.
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So if I understand correctly,acausal type 5 doesn't have resistance to CM type 1 by default(which is true for most,if not all of abilities) and CM type 1 need to be proved to affect acausal type 5 instead of being capable of affecting acausal type 5 by default
I mean concept type 1 is not really realated to acausal type 5,that's all
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I meant the argument for Arceus having Acausality 5 was?
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Saw something about Higher D unable to affect accausals type 5 of lower D, that is wrong tho, it is like saying I cannot affect a character that I myself invented
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Higher D hax is not capable of affecting all things tho,it's like saying it can touch NEP type 2 without feat
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Nep 2 is getting revised so higher d might be able to affect it in future without feats
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It wasn't based on AE1, but on it being completely beyond Distortion World which has laws different from the main multiverse.
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I'm pretty sure being higher D doesnt allow you to affect some form of Intangibility + AE + NEP by default soooo...
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It seems Arceus' Acausality 5 was not rejected for any reason because of Concepts, but because the only "evidence" given was the Concepts of Space-Time and a Acausal 4 place was part of its being and it predated both. Which isn't evidence from Type 5 Acausality, or at least nothing beyond supporting evidence.
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yeah I know,I want to say that being concept type 1 doesn't mean you're acausal type 5
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Executor's blog might give more answers to it anyway.
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it goes against the basis of reality > fiction transcendence
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Problem about R-F and NEP type 2 has been discussed in lots of times tho,you can find many threads about it and for now NEP type 2 is still immune unless higher D things have feat
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i am talking about acausals that get their own ability by existing above a certain system or cosmology
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It isn't AP related tho.
PrinceofPein
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So the entire transcendence of higher dimensions here is just AP related? So hax from a lower dimension can affect higher D? Cause it is hax
