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Ace fire absorption and "Adept" haki user?

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Both Sabo and Luffy have shown Haki in the series and or the show has told us. Definitive Proof him mastering Haki would be them saying so.


This is a non argument as i never said Ace has a mastery over Busoshoku but should be adept given that he could use it at a much younger age than what he at Marineford and was in the New World for an extensive amount of time. Going by this logic then Doffy shouldn't have Kenbun Haki since he didn't display it in the manga but the databook confirmed it.


Again, the supportive evidence is already posted above. You can take the 1 minute it takes to scroll up and read. Aside from that all you've been doing is arguing Ad Nauseam by asking for scans and evidence which have already been presented.


I'm bringing up the novel as Evidence for Ace being adept in his Busoshoku usage. Not too sure how many times I'll need to explain this to you ( Which is getting rather tiring if I'm to be honest. ) Ace used it as a starter, there's no reason to assume that he can only use a basic application despite being in The New World where even Logia's with Haki get yeeted on, and Ace has been in The New World for quite some time, he even went to Wano, aka Haki galore. It's 100% asinine of you to argue that Ace can only use a basic application of Busoshoku Haki despite his experience in the New World and the amount of context here.


Also no, that's veerry far from the truth. A lot of characters in One Piece can use Koka with utter ease. The most difficult Busoshoku Haki would be Goken, which Ace cannot use for obvious reasons as that requires full Mastery of the ability. So this argument is notably flawed and doesn't quite cut it either.


Misinterpretation isn't a valid excuse when met with context, evidence and Occam's Razor. All pieces of evidence lean towards Ace absorbing the fire and it's outright shown in the anime. You aren't asking for lot, not in the slightest. But what you are doing is wasting time by arguing Ad Nauseam without any other arguments while writing off the scans and information I've given you.
 
If that's supposed to prove something then it doesn't do what you were expecting it to do. Very skilled, proficient at something yes, which is something to expect from someone who's spent years with an ability in a part of the world that revolves around said ability. Anyhow, are you gonna bring new arguments to the table or are you gonna use the same repetitive ones that don't hold up so well? If not we might as well stop here and let the rest of the knowledgeable One Piece members comment
 
Guys really?

Ace can absorb and contral any fire becasue he is logia (aka fire) and one of the proves i have is Ceaser who could control gasses in Punk Hazzard (purple gas) and also in Zou when he removed the gas from the minks

and common Ace should have at least arms and obs haki (and ofcourse he has kings coz he used it when he was kid) i mean he is not WB's 2nd commander for no reasons, this is the new world and he is (2nd commander) with the strongest man crew (i know wb is sick and not the strongest at that point but u get what i mean)
 
hmmm i just gave u proves but i guess you ignored them

i mean again ceaser did it also ace did it when he fought BB

you just want to use ur head little bit to figure out that logia can absorb and control their (element) oda doesnt need to say it coz its already proven it could

take it what you take but facts are facts
 
First of all i didnt say Megellan but Ceaser

Secondly all logia are elements and so is Ace who should do the same as all logias (like the in BB vs Ace ) so he should absorb it and control it
 
Btw Ceaser controled gas which isnt his own gas (isnt his own DF)

Also i believe Enel could control electricity from the clouds
 
this could help too https://*********.com/Manga/One-Piece/One-Piece---811?id=320566

ya but this is a proof that logias can do that coz they are elements

didnt u say give me a proof i did

but unfortunalty u still dont want to accpet it

again Ceaser absorbed/controled another gas
 
Because you are using one example. Theres a good handful of Logia users in OP yet you guys all run to one. This basic ability can be shown easily. It's shown easily throughout other shonen.
 
You keep giving me ceaser, I'm well aware Ceaser can do it. I am not discrediting Ceaser in any way shape or form. It is ace im the one concerned about.
 
At least there is a proof that they do absorb it and control it its obvious but some people dont want to believe it coz of some silly reasons (like maybe coz its vs (a vs b) or maybe other reasons)

well im tired hope this helped thanks.
 
Okay. I lost the previous comment.

Rudimentary Haki should go on Ace's page. Adept was a mistake on my part.

As for Absorption, I strongly believe Logia users can use it but only Ace and Caesar has shown the ability to date.

The anime is considered secondary-Canon but this fight is one of the few moments where they adapted the manga in a correct way. There's no bad pacing, the fight isn't extended, it represents it right. I think we can use the anime to support or clarify something vague, and this is the case. Such big flames wouldn't disappear just because things and reasons in seconds. Ace absorbing the Fire is more logical than that.
 
does anybody have anymore input on armament haki being invisable vs it being black with hardening

as for the aborption are we saying for instance if natsu shot fire at ace he would be able to absorb it dr.gero style?
 
If it hasn't been done already I suggest someone link the anime/Cesar to Ace's profile descrition of absorbing fire.

While we're at it, apply the same changes to any logia who doesn't have it stated already. Sourcing is important.
 
I don't remember another logia absorbing the element to date. We probably Will get feats of such thing on the matter, but right now is exclusive to Ace and Caesar.
 
^You lost me then. @Rin's theory was based on Cesar has it, so logias should have it, therefore Ace has it. Why suddenly exempt the middleman?
 
Huh? I thought we based the ability on the anime scene and used Caesar as supportive evidence of logias being capable of absorption.
 
In the original thread Rin suggested that Ace should have it based on the anime scene. I was unconvinced and argued it was not sufficient, then I suggested that we should look for another instance of another logia absorbing their element. I was told that was some sort of fallacy (which I disagree with) but eventually someone mentioned Caesar and I have no clue where things went from there
 
I thought it was the other way around. Well regardless of which is primar/secondary evidence both should be listed on Ace's profile. Leave the others for now though I suspect some will want all Logia's to have it via Cesar if Ace has it.
 
I'd be fine with adding it to other Logia's just as a Possibly since other than Ace and CC they haven't shown it but it could be possible they have it.
 
Kidkinsey said:
does anybody have anymore input on armament haki being invisable vs it being black with hardening

as for the aborption are we saying for instance if natsu shot fire at ace he would be able to absorb it dr.gero style?
The blackened Arnament haki is when someone has mastered it.
 
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