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Accelerator vs Ikki Kurogane
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@Firephoenixearl
Wait a miniute. I'm sure we have already gone over the fact Accelerator can reflect heat with you before. I can't remember what thread but I'm sure we have already been over all of this.
Wait a miniute. I'm sure we have already gone over the fact Accelerator can reflect heat with you before. I can't remember what thread but I'm sure we have already been over all of this.
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He has controlled heat and he has technically reflected 'heat' if you consider the fact that he stood inside a burning inferno on several occasions without thinking much of it. His powers aren't limited to just 'vectors'. It's more so energy in general he can apply them to as well which is why he's reflected scalar-type stuff on several occasions.
Either way, Accel stomps.
Either way, Accel stomps.
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Yeah stella's no good then. Im sure there are at least some characters from Rakuid-----
Wait a freaking moment----
Swap Ikki for Yui Tatara.
Do it!
Wait a freaking moment----
Swap Ikki for Yui Tatara.
Do it!
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What can Yui do? At best it will be a match of each reflecting attacks back at each other.
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And as I remember unlike accel reflection which is passive, yui reflection need her to see the attack. And yui nearly exhausted after use earth rotation or revolution when she fight with her older sister. On other hand accel use earth rotation and revolution without a problem
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I can't see her doing anything if she needs to see the attack, since Vectors are invisible. An invisible vector slice would take her head off. At most if that's not the case it's just an incon cuz she's not hurting Accel. Having finished her profile, Accel will stomp via invisible vectors she's unaware of. Especially if he just grasps her own vectors.
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Not "see" more "know the attack is happening". But then again. Her reflection is fate based. And she can also "revenge counter" ppl meliodas style.
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It won't matter since she won't be aware that an invisible slice his headed towards her neck nor when Accel pops it off via remote control.Firephoenixearl said:
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Yui revenge counter is her last attack in battle. And like meliodas counter, there is a risk
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And accel can just use an vector slice attack just like when he attack hamazura prosesor suit
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Then how about Kurono?
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Uhhh. 6-B AP. Not going to work on Accel
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I think it would be a stomp the other way, depenidng on how her time stop works.
The issue with Accelerator battles is often times it's he either stomps or get stomped or the battle ends up being an incon.
The issue with Accelerator battles is often times it's he either stomps or get stomped or the battle ends up being an incon.
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I don't think anyone in the verse stands a chance
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I mean...the verse has tons of death and fate hax. Im just trying to find someone fair.SpookyShadow said:
Shall we try Kurono?
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Oh wait, I forgot that this is white wings. Yeah. Accelerator still wins.
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Toaru has multiple guys like Aiwass, Magic Gods etc. who are like infinitely above 10D. And Accy can fight a Magic God. So yeah.
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Death hax likely doesn't mean much with Accel's unnatural reflection but then again, this is White Wings so Qliphah stuff probably does not apply, though I'm not sure why it wouldn't since they only come on when he is protecting something.
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@ Accelerate420
Qliphah applies to all arounds except Pre-headshot.
Can summon Qliphah Puzzle 545, Aleister's Phone | Same as before | Same as before | Same as before
From Accelerator's profile under equipment
Qliphah applies to all arounds except Pre-headshot.
Can summon Qliphah Puzzle 545, Aleister's Phone | Same as before | Same as before | Same as before
From Accelerator's profile under equipment
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Then yeah, he'd have Clonoth calcs in junction with white wings I assume which means distorted reflection = most likely no death hax if it's magic.
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Isn't Rakudai all about magic?
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Yeah, pretty much. I've never bought into the argument that attacks specifically needed vectors to work and scalars work when he has specifically stated heat and what not are included in his calulations. It's more so applying vectors to forces without so long as they contain properties he can manipulate/is energy.
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just to further clear up the confusion in hopes this doesn't happen again..
heat flux is heat in motion. not to be confused with "heat transfer" which simply refers to the temperature it is a magnitude/scalar also.
remember. vectors are magnitude and direction. just because heat is a scalar and thus a magnitude only, doesn't mean it somehow moves without direction.
heat flux is heat in motion. not to be confused with "heat transfer" which simply refers to the temperature it is a magnitude/scalar also.
remember. vectors are magnitude and direction. just because heat is a scalar and thus a magnitude only, doesn't mean it somehow moves without direction.
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I don't think so
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But it depends which one
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tbh the discussion regarding whether he can reflect heat because it's a scalar or a vector is kind of moot since there is proof he can do this anyway,
I think with Accelerator, it's just a case of whether or not he understands it or has come against it before. I kind of see Accelerator's power as being manipulation.
I think with Accelerator, it's just a case of whether or not he understands it or has come against it before. I kind of see Accelerator's power as being manipulation.
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Vectors are more so a medium in how he carries it out but his power has always been to control whatever he understands. It's the reason he has the name 'The One Who Wields The Power of God'.
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My god who messed up Accelerators profile?
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I just noticed the changes. No wonder there's weird matches happening. The high 1-C thing should only be placed in abilities and striking, not AP to avoid confusion. And that's only IF my CRT was agreed with.
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Sorry that was me and Destiny dude. I just saw the changes and thought that was what was agreed upon after seeing Destiny's edits.Schnee One said:
I should have made sure though. I will fix it all in a bit.
I mean I kind of thought it was strange since I do remember us discussing the fact that we shouldn't add the High 1-C AP due to bad match ups it would cause, like the match I just seen.
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Yeah. Keep it to striking and have a section regarding the vector scaling in abilities in the Vector section instead so we don't get strange match ups. Don't forget to add the law/possibility stuff as well. You may need to create a sub-section in abilities to explain the weaknesses of the Law/Possibility if "espers replace reality with their own laws/possibility' doesn't flow well. If anyone has a problem with it though (since a majority of ToAru debates seem to agree) then we can talk it out, but I think it's fine for now.
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Heat by itself is a scalar. However, heat by itself also can cause no change in anything its in contact with without the transfer of heat. This transference of heat can occur through methods like radiation, conduction etc. which are various forms of heat flux. Since heat flux involves the transfer of a scalar quantity in definite directions,it is a vector.
You can totally nullify the effects of heat if you prevent its transfer. Without heat transfer, I can sleep on the surface of the sun with no issues of causing burn damage to myself (I would still die from no breatheable air though).
You can totally nullify the effects of heat if you prevent its transfer. Without heat transfer, I can sleep on the surface of the sun with no issues of causing burn damage to myself (I would still die from no breatheable air though).
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I will. I have to fix it later though, but I will and I remember to add the Law/possibility stuff. Actually should I leave varies on there but take away the High 1-C bit?Accelerate420 said:
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Yeah, I think leaving the varies part with the vector explaination is fine, since that's what it should be anyways.
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